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Requested move 15 February 2022

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. Best to check the ngrams in a year or so to see if the trend towards the Portuguese name continues to sustain. (closed by non-admin page mover) Sceptre (talk) 20:10, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]


East Timor is officially referred to (by pretty much everyone) as Timor-Leste, but there is a long history of not wanting to move it to that page (see the banners at Talk:East_Timor). However, following a discussion at WT:OLYMPICS we figured that a local consensus would be a reasonable exception given that every major sporting agency refers to the country as Timor-Leste (Olympics, Asian Games, FINA, etc). However, this move was overturned (we're apparently a "little-watched WikiProject") and so I am forced to seek a wider consensus. Primefac (talk) 09:23, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Timor-Leste is the clear WP:COMMONNAME and should be used on this article. Desertambition (talk) 01:31, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Per WP:CONSISTENT: "Article titles are based on how reliable English-language sources refer to the article's subject." OP has cited reliable sources that support the proposed titles, so the move is justified. WP:CONSUB implies that these articles are a "subtopic" of East Timor, and that WP:TITLE should be set aside in the name of consistency, which I definitely disagree with. 162 etc. (talk) 18:46, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The chosen organizations generally reflect what the country asks that organization to call them; the rare possible exceptions (Taiwan) don't apply here. This makes them a non-independent source, and per WP:TITLE we should prefer independent sources, such as the BBC and the New York Times, both of which use "East Timor" in relation to the Olympics. BilledMammal (talk) 04:36, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Timor-Leste competes at major sporting events as Timor-Leste, that should be respected. Of course, going forward 'East Timor at the 2020 Summer Olympics' etc. should always automatically revert. --MorrisIV (talk) 12:51, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.