Talk:FIFA Intercontinental Cup

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On 17 December 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Future annual FIFA club competition to FIFA Intercontinental Cup. The result of the discussion was moved.

Continuity

This tournament is literature the FIFA Club World Cup as it is now. Is the Club World Cup (2025 onwards) the legal sucessor to the Club World Cup as this article is literally describing the Club World Cup. Mn1548 (talk) 10:30, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 17 December 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) — mw (talk) (contribs) 21:14, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Future annual FIFA club competition → FIFA Intercontinental Cup – Proper name. Dipralb (talk) 19:12, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support, per today's announcement from FIFA. Intercontinental Cup (football) should probably also be renamed since that title in now ambiguous. BLAIXX 21:32, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I would suggest renaming it Intercontinental Cup (1960–2004) Geolojoey (talk) 23:15, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Are they officially considered different competitions, or just the same competition being revived? For example, Arab Cup and FIFA Arab Cup are considered the same competition, with the latter being sanctioned by FIFA. --Portalian (talk) 17:51, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Officially they are separate competitions, FIFA calls 2024 the "inaugural edition". The new one has a totally different format so I think that makes sense. BLAIXX 18:44, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support "FIFA Intercontinental Cup" (source: FIFA) is a official name from tournament. WikiFer ^msg 23:09, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support per above reasons Geolojoey (talk) 23:15, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support now that name has been confirmed. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:23, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Official name --Etmot (talk) 12:55, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support.--Island92 (talk) 16:15, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support, since it's the offical name. ABC paulista (talk) 17:36, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support, it's its offical name Marcetw (talk) 21:49, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support Official name now

Mn1548 (talk) 08:53, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Giant Snowman 22:29, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support as above. Giant Snowman 22:32, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support as above. Vic Park (talk) 09:06, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Is it not like 2022 Finalissima 122.187.144.98 (talk) 19:01, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Is article 2024 FIFA Intercontinental Cup a fork of this article? If yes, the two should be merged. -- Prokurator11 (talk) 20:32, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No it is not a fork. This article is about an annual sporting event. The article you linked is about the 2024 edition of this tournament. BLAIXX 20:57, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The official name will be "Coupe Intercontienental de FIFA". 82.42.165.81 (talk) 12:15, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:COMMONAME is not this name though. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:49, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – Don't forget that French is FIFA's primary language, it's just a common translation. Svartner (talk) 17:22, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support – I don't think it would be necessary to discuss this. Svartner (talk) 17:22, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

From European point of view the Fifa Intercontinental Cup 2024 stands in the line with the former Competition up to 2004

Hello Guys, from the European Point of view the Fifa Intercontinental Cup 2024 stands in the line with the former Competition up to 2004. Reason: The other Teams play a Play-Off System (Rest of the World) to get the Opponent of the European Champions League Winner and Europe has only to play one Game linke the years up to 2004. Whats your point of view ? Eschmer71 (talk) 03:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, not only from the European point of view. FIFA has just decided this is, indeed, the continuation of both, the Intercontinental Cup (1960-2004) and the FIFA Club World Championship/Cup (2000-2023).[1]

~~Now, we are discussing at Talk:FIFA Club World Cup the changes/moves we are going to do here in the Wikipedia articles. SinisterUnion (talk) 03:20, 23 September 2024 (UTC)~~[reply]

Based on that article, FIFA does not claim that this tournament is a continuation of the 1960–2004 Intercontinental Cup. Only that it is a continuation of the 2000–2023 CWC. BLAIXX 04:12, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, FIFA does not claim anything, FIFA defines and determines. FIFA is the governing body of football. Second... although all different tournaments, FIFA unified their titles as world champions and, if you read well that article, you can see FIFA shows the history of continuity, from the 1960-2004 Intercontinental Cup to more recently the FIFA Club World Championship/Cup (2000-2023), until the creation of the FIFA Intercontinental Cup. SinisterUnion (talk) 04:44, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FIFA does not alone determine what we put on Wikipedia. As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia is based primarily on content from secondary sources. I know this can be confusing or frustrating for new editors but this is fundamental Wikipedia policy. BLAIXX 00:33, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have struck out comments made by SinisterUnion, a blocked sockpuppet. BLAIXX 15:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They are considered distinct competitions! On the archive page dedicated to the annual editions of the FIFA Club World Cup the old Intercontinental Cup is not even mentioned, even the FIFA Intercontinental Cup is indicated as the annual edition of 2024. Another evidence is another module on the FIFA website called FIFA+, in which one of the pages is dedicated to listing ALL the FIFA Club World Cup finals and also, the editions between 1960 to 2004 of the old Intercontinental Cup are also not mentioned.

Visit the article FIFA Intercontinental Cup™: Key information on the FIFA website, in the section "Evolution of FIFA’s annual global club competition" and you can read the excerpt "In October 2017, the FIFA Council approved a motion recognizing all European and South American teams that won the Intercontinental Cup – played between 1960 and 2004 – as club world champions.", in other words, this text reinforces what I stated previously, that in 2017 FIFA only RECOGNIZED the titles of the clubs that were champions of the old Intercontinental Cup as a title with worldwide scope, but at no point is it stated that there was a unification of the titles of the old Intercontinental Cup (1960-2004) with the annual FIFA Club World Cup (2000, 2005-2023).

The old Intercontinental Cup (1960-2004) is considered a PRECURSOR of the FIFA Club World Cup, but is not considered a CONTINUATION. Based on this archive page from the FIFA website, we can conclude that the FIFA Intercontinental Cup is a direct continuation of the format of the annual FIFA Club World Cup played until 2023 and not the old Intercontinental Cup (whose official name was the "European/South American Cup").

Natan96-wiki (talk) 16:38, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]