Talk:FIS Alpine Ski World Cup

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Section sizes

Section size for FIS Alpine Ski World Cup (79 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	2,784	2,784
Rules	4,397	4,397
Overall winners	229	16,032
Individual	10,460	10,460
Individual titles by country	1,545	1,545
Men overall titles	2,011	2,011
Women overall titles	1,787	1,787
Discipline winners	291	6,456
Top ten small crystal globe podiums	101	2,433
Men	1,122	1,122
Women	1,210	1,210
Most small globes per discipline	264	2,178
Men	855	855
Women	1,059	1,059
Multiple disciplines small crystal globe winners	227	1,554
Men	1,327	1,327
Wins	11	37,893
Most race wins in each discipline	77	9,054
Men	4,351	4,351
Women	4,626	4,626
Most races won	353	11,028
Men	5,394	5,394
Women	5,281	5,281
Twenty or more speed and technical wins	85	5,500
Speed events	2,870	2,870
Technical events	2,545	2,545
All-event winners	611	5,944
Men	2,359	2,359
Women	2,974	2,974
Most race wins in a single season	218	6,356
Men	3,354	3,354
Women	2,784	2,784
Hosts	82	8,222
Men's	68	4,063
Total	1,088	1,088
Downhill	705	705
Super-G	807	807
Giant slalom	661	661
Slalom	734	734
Women's	72	4,077
Total	1,133	1,133
Downhill	705	705
Super-G	717	717
Giant slalom	676	676
Slalom	774	774
Most podiums and top ten results	1,130	8,293
Career podiums	4,700	4,700
Career top ten results	2,463	2,463
Greatest alpine skiers of all time	373	12,812
Men's super ranking	6,147	6,147
Women's super ranking	6,292	6,292
Parallel events	22	31,936
Parallel slalom	228	13,614
Men	6,449	6,449
Women	6,937	6,937
City event	320	6,154
Men	2,858	2,858
Women	2,976	2,976
Knockout slalom	230	1,407
Men	589	589
Women	588	588
Parallel giant slalom	1,211	10,739
Format	2,120	2,120
Events	7,408	7,408
Various records	62	12,588
Men	6,392	6,392
Women	6,134	6,134
Scoring system	26	6,810
Statistical analysis	6,784	6,784
Finals	1,069	4,780
Hosts	3,711	3,711
Winners by country	921	12,275
Men	3,945	3,945
Women	3,913	3,913
Alpine team event	3,496	3,496
Nations Cup	2,680	2,680
See also	835	835
References	28	28
External links	1,530	1,530
Total	170,351	170,351

Seasons

I don't like the article names as "2005 Alpine skiing World Cup". Better call it the "2004-2005 Alpine skiing World Cup". The Alpine skiing World Cup is based on the winters of the Northern Hemisphere season, and runs from October to March. / J 1982 15:15, 24 October 2006 (CET)

Nations Cup

I don't find any entry related to the Nations Cup in the Alpine skiing World Cup (i.e. the ranking according to the World Cup points achieved by all racers of each Nation). Does anyone know if such an entry already exists? 85.124.105.247 23:28, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I added a complete table of Nations Cup results to the article earlier this year, along with a complete breakdown of race wins for each nation. --Seattle Skier (talk) 20:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

i changed some data(total standings) for 1980 and 1981 acc. to http://www.fis-ski.com/uk/disciplines/alpineskiing/cupstandings.html?suchen=true&suchcompetitorid=&suchseason=1981&sector=AL&suchgender=&suchcup=NC&suchnation=&discipline=ALL&search=Search and http://www.fis-ski.com/uk/disciplines/alpineskiing/cupstandings.html?suchen=true&suchcompetitorid=&suchseason=1980&sector=AL&suchgender=&suchcup=NC&suchnation=&discipline=ALL&search=Search

The FIS database is incorrect. Kind regards Doma-w (talk) 21:52, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Most overall World Cup titles

This title is confusing. It sounds like has won the Overall Title the most times. Instead it is who has won the most amount of disciplinary titles overall, yet it does not include overall titles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joelcanski (talk • contribs) 16:09, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Parallell Slalom

The information regarding parallell slalom is unclear and inconsistent. FIS Alpine Ski World Cup#Parallel events shows some races, their winners, and which races counted for official statistics. That is fine. Some of those races are not included in the FIS Alpine Ski World Cup#Most successful race winners table, which they should be, if they don't count in the overall wins they can be put in parenthesis, there's a notification below the table that not all parallell wins count, and those that don't count should then be shown in parenthesis. Also, aside from this there have been more slalom races where the skiiers have been skiing head-to-head parallell to each other. An example is the 2001 race in Sestriere, which was called "KO-Slalom". Link here: http://www.fis-ski.com/pdf/2003/AL/6010/6010.pdf . -- Lejman (talk) 02:33, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Of Ladies and Gentlemen, Men and Women

Why are women called ladies here, but men not gentleman? Especially if there is an article called Alpine Skiing World Cup Women (though, to be exact it redirects to "List of FIS Alpine Ski World Cup women's champions"). Am I missing some social rules in the English language? (My mother tongue is German - In the German article they use Damen/Herren afaik). Imho, it should be changed to "women" everywhere, but I want input from native speakers. Judith Sunrise (talk) 01:41, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I now changed it after a very brief discussion here. Judith Sunrise (talk) 16:43, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nations Cup

The section below Nations Cup points table has this: Several nations with under 30 wins have 100% of them in technical events, led by Finland and Spain.
But that is not true. At least, in the table, Spain has one victory in Downhill, so it is 92% in technical events. According to the table, actually, the only ones with 100% in technical events are Finland, New Zealand, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland and Bulgaria. Of which, only Finland has more than 5 wins.
And there is no nation with 100% in speed events, now that Aleksandr Khoroshilov won his first slalom race. 212.50.203.198 (talk) 16:56, 6 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Vienna Parallel

According to fis-ski.com, Vienna's Parallel (30.12.1985) was part of the World Cup - but the result don't count in overall standing. The winner (Ivano Edalini) was awarded a world cup victory. Should this event not be moved in the "world cup" table? (Parallel section)185.64.197.40 (talk) 23:18, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That event did only count for the nations cup (like other "Parallels"); Mr. Edalini, but also Leonhard Stock (winning in Berlin) are affected. 213.225.0.117 (talk) 13:45, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Time limits

Dear Sir, I would like to suggest to give any information about time limits.

I know it by myself but I would like to cit. German Wikipedia. Since (maybe 1992/93 or 1993/94) there are time limits: If a racer is more than 8 percents (in the Combined 16 percents) behind the winner's time he doesn't gain points (even she or he is placed 25th - or maybe 15th). Already, regulations regarding going return in slaloms and giant slaloms (if a racer is missing a gate) did change a few years ago (almost exclusively it is not allowed), the handling did become to do not go return because exceeding the limit. I would like to point out that time limits maybe not guilty in races at World Championships or Olympics (but mentioned regulations regarding going back are guilty). Skiscout (talk) 15:35, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Half points

There were also half points awarded because there were carried out so-called "A-runs" and "B-runs" in the first years of the World Cup; "B-runs" had a lower quality. So it could happen that a racer had a point number ending with a half point like 60.5 points. Maybe, in the later time all of those ones who did archive or did copy the point rankings, didn't know about it and did ignore that exceptionality (I would like to suggest to read page 14 in the "Arbeiterzeitung Vienna" from March 13, 1970 - column 4, last part - titled "Mannschaftswertung"). I don't know more, in the cit. page 14 you cannot find a number with a half point - maybe there were rounding regulations. I could find such a number in the newspaper "Arbeiterzeitung Vienna" on March 29th, 1967, page 11, when Marielle Goitschel's points are reported with 169.5 (also the Swiss newspaper "Sport Zurich" reports 169.5). I cannot varify why there was an enlargement regarding Goitschel's points to 172. Skiscout (talk) 20:10, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The FIS to accept responsibility - 1968: Races scheduled on the same day - Female races during the week, male races on the week-ends

I would like to cit. the German Wikipedia: 
 In May 1967, at the Congress of the FIS at Beirut, the FIS did accept responsibility for the Alpine Skiing World Cup. Before that time, the World Cup was organized independent from the FIS (maybe by the French newspaper L'Equipe).

When a male Giant Slalom Race was held on February 24th, 1968, at Oslo, at the same time a male Downhill Race was carried out at Chamonix. Also there were important races (called "FIS-Races") at Åre on March 9th and 10th, 1968, and at the same time there were World Cup Events (male at Kranjska Gora, female at Abetone). Therefore several national Skiing Associations did prefer to dispatch their (better) male racers to Åre, and in regard to the female racers, only racers from Great Britain, France, Italy and Switzerland did compete at Abetone.
For long time it was standard that nearly all female races were carried out during the week (Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday) and male races was held on the week-ends. Only male races at Adelboden (there only was arranged a Giant Slalom Race) did take place on Monday and Tuesday (because in the first years, the first leg and the second leg of a Giant Slalom was carried out on two days), later then, only on Tuesdays. Since February 2004, there are also (male) Slalom Races are held at Adelboden, becoming a week-end event..
Exceptions of scheduling of races were races at the seasons-finish. Even races at saison finish are something special since March 1993, there were races at the end of a season which you could call as a "really finish race", and in several seasons in the late 1970ies and first 1989ies, there were other methods to award World Cup Points. Skiscout (talk) 13:56, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Season finals

As the article says, only the best 25 in each World Cup standings are invited to compete (and also the gold medal winners of the junior World Championships - maybe, one of those gold medal winners are in that list of best 25). In general, there is no other racer allowed to start (to substitute) if one of the best 25 racers isn't able to start (because illness or injury, or maybe an otherwise reason). But there is an exception for racers up from a high number of World Cup points (it's up from 500 - and such racers are named "500 points racers"). Such an allowance is fair and, at first, it is necessary for racers to be able to achieve an excellent result in the Overall Ranking, as maybe the case, to win it. I don't know regulations about order of start for such "500 points racers" - in general, it is regularized that the best 25 are at first to start (and starting due to the regulations in that event) followed by the gold medal winners. In regard to regulations during the "season races" I know, that Mikaela Shiffrin did start with the bib number 31 in the downhill and the Super-G, while Lara Gut did start with the number 31 in the slalom. Skiscout (talk) 16:37, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nations Cup?

I have changed Nations Cup to "Individual wins by nation", although I'm not entirely happy with that title. Maybe "Individual Nations Cup"? The Nations Cup is, as I understand, only calculated by adding all racers. If anyone disagrees please add a comment here. MattSucci (talk) 06:51, 10 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Victory distribution

I see no reason to list historical states in Nations which have won World Cup races. Victories should be divided and maybe note could be made.

It says:
All of Yugoslavia's wins are currently lumped in with Slovenia, since the skiers who won races for former Yugoslavia were all Slovenes from Slovenia
That should remain as it is; it is a known fact and no other constituent country has ever had any desire to claim those victories. I don't have any sources but that is a fact.

For Soviet Union victories were achieved by Russians Aleksandr Zhirov (4) and Valeri Tsyganov (1).

For Czechoslovakia victories were achieved by Czech Olga Charvátová (2) and Slovak Jana Gantnerová-Šoltýsováv (1).

Czech may dispute that 1 victory but that could be made as a note. Things are very straightforward. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.149.62.77 (talk) 20:19, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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All 5 small crystal globes

Are there skiers who won discipline titles or small crystal globes in all 5 of the disciplines during their career? If not, any with 4? A list would be great if there is not too many of them. 213.149.62.160 (talk) 16:39, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong statistics about the winners of the small crystal globe

I come across results where the skiers are tied on points.

While this page states that both skiers are the winner of the globe (List of FIS Alpine Ski World Cup men's champions), on this page (List of FIS Alpine Ski World Cup winners of men's discipline titles) is stated that only one skier is the winner of the globe.

These are the following disciplines and years in question:

GS ('71, '77, '84, '87, '89, '90)

SL ('70, '83)

DH ('70, '82)

If someone knows which information is correct, please edit the wrong page. 89.172.73.78 (talk) 10:47, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]