Talk:Finger of God (disambiguation)

Dab CU

   Well, where to start.... In my judgment, we should first -- before trying to re-organize the entries as a group, or to prune the article-summary entries down to conforming Dab entries -- tackle the following (supposed) Dab entry, which is the first (but most recently added):

* The biblical "finger of God" which is said to have written the Ten Commandments (Exodus 31:18, Deuteronomy 9:10), and is connected with miracles, (Exodus 8:16–19, Luke 11:14–20).

That is not a Dab entry -- not even an over-expanded one: its being one would require us to have an article containing encyclopedic info on the topic "foG", which we so far do not. (The only users well served by its existence on the Dab page would be those who don't understand NaD, and are using WP in place of a biblical lexicon.)

(I digress slightly: Some colleagues may be satisfied that the existing 1st entry cannot be a Dab entry in anything close to its current form, simply by their knowing that

1. "Ten Commandments" only even mentions "foG" in the form of quoting a Christian translation of one full Torah verse, and a fragment of the same translation of a second one, and
2. "foG" is not mentioned by the article "miracle", either in the article's own words, nor by the article directly quoting anything. In fact, as close as it comes to either kind of mention is giving "chapter and verse" -- e.g. "(Acts 4:29–31)" -- for two verses that each mention "foG" -- but BTW do not use the words "miracle", "miraculous", etc.

At this point the issue is whether that first entry can stay in the Dab, so unless asked, i won't burden this discussion with my further evidence against

either or both of "Ten Commandments" and "miracle" (or "miracles"), or

any less-than-article topic currently subsumed within one of them

being in contention for the article- (or Rdr-)title "finger of God" or "Finger of God".)

   The disposition i have in mind for the current content and functions of the first entry is to:

1. Partially replace the 1st Dab entry with one linking to, say, finger of God (Commandments) or finger of God (Sinai);
2. reword everything beginning at the start of the current entry, and ending just before "and", using it in a stub (as always, an invitation for expansion) bearing the corresponding title, and perhaps reading

   The finger of God is what tablets brought down Mt. Sinai by Moses were said (in Exodus 31:18 and Deuteronomy 9:10) to have been "written with".

3. put a whole new section below on this talk page, saying roughly

   (tho i do not want to speculate on

   1. how the colleague would have fleshed out their own presumed treatment, as a single topic, of "the finger of God" involved in
      1. the "magicians" equating (Exodus 8:19) "dust [both smitten and unsmitten by Aaron] bec[oming] lice" (Exodus 8:17 to "the finger of God" (verse 19 again), combinable with the what is involved in
      2. the putative "casting out [by Jesus, i feel safe in presuming, of] a devil" (Luke 11:14) and the caster's riddle either hinting the possibility, or ironically asserting, that he had done so "by the finger of God" (Luke 11:20), and
   2. how they contrast and/or compare such usage with the use of the same three words in the context of the tablets)

   1. that a previous version of the accompanying Dab page said that Judeo-Christian theological uses of the term finger of God are not restricted to the context of the tablets, and
   2. that editors may want to consider whether

      one or more topics,

      on the term or what it can refer to,

      outside the context of the tablets,

      either have existing WP coverage or should get it via additional editing.

That interim disposition of the recently introduced entry would IMO help us touch up the remaining entries with more clarity about the context where they will be serving users.
--Jerzy•t 09:23, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

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