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Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 03:55, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Don't know a whole lot about heraldry, but I'll give it a look. Hog Farm Bacon 03:55, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is more of a query than anything else, but has there been any sort of action with the flag since 1953? Any color tweaks? Is there any controversy over the flag, or any proposals to change the flag? Based on Google searches, I can't turn up any evidence of this (or of alternate flags), but it just seems odd for the history to drop off there. Maybe it's because I'm an American, and there's been all sorts of flag-related controversy because it seems like everything was based on the Confederate flag for awhile. If there's no updates after 1953, I guess there's nothing to say, but I feel like I ought to check up on that with you as part of this review. Actually, later in the article mentions the new proposed design by Ausflag. If this is significant, it should probably be described in the prose history. If it's not significant, why is it mentioned as an alternate?

  • From all the sources I've consulted, I'm fairly sure the flag has remained unchanged. The debate nowadays is between retaining the existing blue ensign vs. new design altogether. Ausflag is mentioned because the organization has garnered coverage in media (albeit the SMH article was written by the founder himself). Since it is from a non-profit "civilian" organization (and not one put forward by the government), the proposed design has not gained traction as a serious replacement candidate. Hence, it's not really that significant (at least not enough to merit a sentence in the prose). But since the SVG file exists and the sources seem to check out, I thought there's no harm in keeping its entry in the table. —Bloom6132 (talk) 00:04, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • If secondary sources mention the debate between the existing blue ensign vs new design, it should be mentioned. For instance, Flag of Mississippi covers the whole flag changing process. If the Ausflag design is only talked about by Ausflag, I'm wondering if WP:UNDUE is coming into play here.
  • The secondary sources do not mention the flag debate explicitly (just conjecture on my part). Ausflag isn't fringe, but they do seem to be in the minority, at least on state level (different from the national level [1][2]). —Bloom6132 (talk) 04:18, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a link for "in the fly"? It's a bit of a specialist term.

  • Personally, I think this is one of those cases where you WP:IAR the overlink issue, since reader comprehension takes a higher priority than one simple overlink, and not a blatant one at that.

"according to author Rodney James Giblett" - According to the author, to avoid the false title

I'm not sure that the link to the Deparment of the Premier and Cabinet link is useful, as it links to a governmental body in a different Australian state.

Pecking order is a bit colloquial, at least in American use. Is there a different word that could be used instead to be in alignment with WP:TONE?

Seems a little weird to throw the Westralia Flag in there with no real explanation. If it's that significant, it deserves at least a brief prose mention somewhere

The fire service flag needs a citation

  • If there's no RS discussing it, I start to wonder if WP:GACR #3b would argue against its inclusion ...

Lonely Planet has a mixed discussion on RS/N Is there a better source available for this?

The History Channel was deemed to be pretty marginal at a 2020 discussion. Find a better source

Most of these are pretty open-ended, and I'm open to discussion on any of these. Hog Farm Bacon 20:36, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Hog Farm: thanks very much for the review! I hope I've addressed your comments satisfactorily. —Bloom6132 (talk) 00:04, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bloom6132: - I've got a couple more queries, mostly related to if some of those alternate flags comply with due coverage, if they aren't really spoken of in RS. This one's really close to passing now. Hog Farm Bacon 01:12, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Hog Farm: no worries – responded to the second round of queries. —Bloom6132 (talk) 04:18, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bloom6132: - I noticed one last thing. The protocol section isn't summarized in the lead. Throw a sentence or two summarizing that section in there, and I'll pass it. Hog Farm Bacon 14:15, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Hog Farm: done. —Bloom6132 (talk) 14:27, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]