Talk:Francophone Canadians
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This article seems to imply that Francophone Canadians and French Canadians are two different groups. But is this supported by sources? "French Canadian" is used as a term to describe not only those of French ancestry, but also French-speaking Canadians of all ethnicities. [1] [2] I'd argue that this article is a WP:CFORK and should be merged. 162 etc. (talk) 00:45, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- They are indeed different groups. Francophone = person with French as their native language. French Canadian= ethnicity. Safyrr 18:59, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, that is what this article is implying. However, it's not clear that this is supported by reliable sources. I've read the sources cited in the article, and I don't see any of them referring to a Francophone Canadian subgroup which is not French Canadian. Can you please cite sources that explicitly address this? 162 etc. (talk) 22:17, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Francophone: [1][2] vs French Canadian (go to the "French Canadians" subsection):[3]. Here is an article where an American of French Canadian descent talks about how French Canadians are their own ethnicity:[4] Here is a scientific article talking about hereditary diseases in French Canadians:[5]. Here is a magazine article about French Canadian genomic heritage:[6]. This is common knowledge in French Canada, also. Safyrr 03:43, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Well, y'see, the thing is that there are francophone Canadians who are not ethnically québécois — Vietnamese, Maghreban or Haitian immigrants, for example, and let's not forget the Acadians — and there are ethnic French Canadians who were raised in primarily English-speaking communities and are not actually fluent speakers of the French language. So while "French Canadians" and "francophone Canadians" obviously have a fairly high degree of overlap, they are in no way identical topics, because each also includes some people who are not part of the other topic. If you think of it as a Venn diagram, there are obviously a lot of people in the zone where the two topics overlap, but there are also sizable numbers of people in the "French-Canadian but not francophone" zone and the "francophone but not French-Canadian" zone too. Even if the terms do sometimes get used more interchangeably than they should, there actually are two distinct topics here. Bearcat (talk) 20:55, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, that is what this article is implying. However, it's not clear that this is supported by reliable sources. I've read the sources cited in the article, and I don't see any of them referring to a Francophone Canadian subgroup which is not French Canadian. Can you please cite sources that explicitly address this? 162 etc. (talk) 22:17, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/francophone.
{{cite web}}: Missing or empty|title=(help) - ^ "Francophone | The Canadian Encyclopedia". www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca.
- ^ https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/new-immigrants/learn-about-canada/canadians.html.
{{cite web}}: Missing or empty|title=(help) - ^ Engl, In New; Born, ’s Mill Towns One Could Be; French, be buried almost entirely in (7 December 2017). "Why We French Canadians Are Neither French nor Canadian". What It Means to Be American.
- ^ De Braekeleer, M.; Dao, T. N. (April 1994). "Hereditary disorders in the French Canadian population of Quebec. II. Contribution of Perche". Human Biology. pp. 225–249.
- ^ https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/the-genomic-heritage-of-french-canadians.
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