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A fact from Frederick Perceval, 11th Earl of Egmont appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 4 August 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Frederick Perceval, 11th Earl of Egmont, was nicknamed "the loneliest boy in the world" by journalists?

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The result was: promoted by Hey man im josh talk 14:16, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Frederick Perceval, 11th Earl of Egmont, was nicknamed "the loneliest boy in the world" by journalists?

Source: Ohler, Shawn (21 January 1999). "He was rancher before he became an earl, daughter says". National Post. Toronto, Ontario, Canada. p. 8. Retrieved 7 July 2024 – via Newspapers.com. Journalists dubbed him 'the loneliest boy in the world'; van Rassel, Jason (12 December 2001). "Reluctant earl called Alberta home". Calgary Herald. Calgary, Alberta, Canada. p. A3. Retrieved 7 July 2024 – via Newspapers.com. Eighteen-year-old Fred, dubbed 'the loneliest boy in the world,' ... .

ALT1: ... that the 11th Earl of Egmont would have rather have sat on a horse than in the House of Lords? Source: van Rassel, Jason (12 December 2001). "Reluctant earl called Alberta home". Calgary Herald. Calgary, Alberta, Canada. p. A3. Retrieved 7 July 2024 – via Newspapers.com. Perceval could have sat in the House of Lords after he inherited his title in 1932. He preferred sitting on a horse.
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Created by Roc0ast3r (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

RONIN TALK 02:35, 8 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Hi Roc0ast3r, nice article on an interesting subject; review: article created 7 July and exceeds minimum length; article is well written and cited inline throughout to reliable sources; I didn't pick up any issues with overly close paraphrasing in a spotcheck; hook facts are interesting, mentioned in the article and check out to sources cited, I would be a little wary of ALT1 as the article (and source) state that he later regretted not taking up his seat, happy to leave to the discretion of the promoter; no QPQ is required. I picked up the dates of his eligibility for the Lords (stated in the infobox) are not cited, if these can be added or removed this should be good to go - Dumelow (talk) 07:39, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Dumelow: Ah, my mistake. I've gone ahead and added a citation for those dates. And for ALT1, I completely forgot about that part. I'll go ahead and cross that one out. RONIN TALK 15:14, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Roc0ast3r, all good to go - Dumelow (talk) 15:17, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Castle sale

"When the 10th Earl died in 1932, Perceval inherited his estate and title and promptly moved back to Canada, selling the castle. Marrying Geraldine Moodie in August, they soon built a home on a piece of land they bought right outside Priddis, Alberta, where Perceval was raised. When a fire destroyed that home, they built a new one and sold Avon Castle."

Did he sell it before moving back to Canada, or later, when his Canadian home was destroyed? 67.231.67.253 (talk) 05:38, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. IntentionallyDense (talk) 03:48, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator: Roc0ast3r (talk · contribs) 20:41, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: IntentionallyDense (talk · contribs) 23:57, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will review soon. IntentionallyDense (talk) 23:57, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@IntentionallyDense: Thanks for your review! I believe I have addressed all your comments now. RONIN TALK 03:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much. I think this article meets GA criteria now! IntentionallyDense (talk) 03:45, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Review

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	Minor prose issues highlighted below. IntentionallyDense (talk) 00:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	IntentionallyDense (talk) 00:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. Verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	IntentionallyDense (talk) 00:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	Spot-checked most of the sources available to me and found no issues. IntentionallyDense (talk) 00:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
	2c. it contains no original research.	IntentionallyDense (talk) 00:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	IntentionallyDense (talk) 00:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	I did look for other sources but couldn't find any so I would say this article is broad enough. IntentionallyDense (talk) 00:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply] There are some areas that I feel you could expand on which I've detailed below. IntentionallyDense (talk) 00:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	IntentionallyDense (talk) 00:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	IntentionallyDense (talk) 00:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	IntentionallyDense (talk) 00:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	IntentionallyDense (talk) 00:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	IntentionallyDense (talk) 00:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
	7. Overall assessment.	On hold until the nominator can address issues with 1a and 3a. IntentionallyDense (talk) 00:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Broadness

Cecilia died two years after the birth of Perceval Is there any info on the cause of death? I feel like that would be relevant enough to include. IntentionallyDense (talk) 00:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I wasn't able to find any cause of death for her. Really the only thing I was able to find was her date of death, which I added. RONIN TALK 03:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As Earl of Egmont, Perceval was entitled to sit in the House of Lords from 16 May 1932 to 11 November 1999 A brief explanation of what the House of Lords is would be appropriate here. IntentionallyDense (talk) 00:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Done RONIN TALK 03:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Moodie died in 1995 Is the cause of death known? IntentionallyDense (talk) 00:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. News articles were quite vague on her cause, describing it as only a "lengthy" or "long illness", but I added it regardless, as well as her date of death. RONIN TALK 03:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
After the approval of the House of Lords Act 1999, Perceval reportedly expressed regrets about not taking his seat in the House. What is the House of Lords Act and is there more detail given on why he had regrets? IntentionallyDense (talk) 00:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- For point one: the House of Lords act is explained earlier in the text: ... when the House of Lords Act 1999 was passed, excluding all but ninety-two hereditary peers from the House. If need be though, I could make changes. For point two: I wasn't able to find much information on why he had regretted his decision. That news article is really the only mention of his regrets. RONIN TALK 03:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Thank you, I forgot about the original explanation. IntentionallyDense (talk) 03:44, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prose

Wouldn't immigrated be the correct wording and not "migrated". IntentionallyDense (talk) 00:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Done RONIN TALK 03:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
His parents had migrated to Alberta in 1900, where they bought a ranch in Priddis, Alberta, and where Perceval was raised. Is there any way you could reword this so it doesn't include two "where"s? IntentionallyDense (talk) 00:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Reworded. RONIN TALK 03:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He and Perceval would often do chores around the castle themselves Who is "he" in this context and who is Perceval (both have Perceval in their names). IntentionallyDense (talk) 00:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Reworded. RONIN TALK 03:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.