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Is this notable?

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I have concerns whether this topic is notable, it seems like WP:TRIVIA. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:31, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Even if this is trivial or a silly topic to write about, it has much more media coverage in reliable sources than I expected. Even few books discuss about this topic, so it is definitely notable. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 18:47, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I second that this doesn't seem notable. Just because there's coverage of it doesn't mean that it warrants an article in an encyclopedia (there's a presumption of notability, but not a guarantee). In my opinion, this page should be deleted, and any useful information should be incorporated into related articles. Ramzuiv (talk) 09:25, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"After Bush left office, he occasionally tweeted about his dislike of broccoli."

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Twitter wasn't even invented for over a decade after Bush left office, so it's weird to say he was tweeting "after [he] left office." Fyndegil (talk) 16:30, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Fyndegil – Yeah, I noticed that and had intended to change it. But the only instance I was able to find was in a tweet ... but now I have rephrased it to avoid this. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 16:41, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Kpddg (talk · contribs) 04:20, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Kavyansh.Singh . I have reviewed this page. Kpddg (talk) 04:20, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Failed "good article" nomination

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This article has failed its Good article nomination. This is how the article, as of December 17, 2021, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: Pass Not Pass Main Issue - repetitve (the quote where he says 'I dont like brocolli', etc; short article
2. Verifiable?: Pass Pass
3. Broad in coverage?: Pass Pass
4. Neutral point of view?: Pass Pass
5. Stable?: Pass Pass
6. Images?: Pass Ok


When these issues are addressed, the article can be renominated. If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to have it reassessed. Thank you for your work so far.— Kpddg (talk) 04:36, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like there should be a second opinion for this article. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 17:30, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No real opinion, but the fact that "short article" is cited as a reason to fail and "broad in coverage" is passed is a little fishy... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 18:54, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Article has been renominated. Open for another - experienced - reviewer to take a second look --Whiteguru (talk) 20:32, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Rather than being renominated, I have reopened this original review for a second opinion from someone fully familiar with the GA criteria and how to apply them—please take a full look at the article and do a complete new review of it. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:55, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Second review for reopened nomination

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Hi there! I'll be giving a second review of this nomination. Comments should be completed within a week. Cheers! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 02:25, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Prose

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Sourcing

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Broadness

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  • There should probably be a mention of the length of haitch double-yuh's presidency
    :D theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 20:50, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, that Barbara Bush is George's wife
  • ABC News's Liz Neporent said that broccoli "has long been a political vegetable". I'm not sure what this sentence is doing in the middle of Obama's story—what's its relevance?
  • Most importantly, the final paragraph in the comments section is a little bit of a meandering grab-bag—if some of those could be different paragraphs, or even under new headings, that'd be helpful. There's a lot of sentences in this paragraph that feel like they could be summary topics of their own paragraph. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 03:11, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • I don't get that. The overall article may be short, but for an topic like this, I don't expect anything missing. Of-course, if you see anything missing, feel free to mention and I'll work on it. But, currently, the article cites all major newspapers articles and even books which cover this incident. The other sources I find did not have anything unique other than what this article already has. In my opinion, if I expand the last para of "Comments and analysis" section, it might make the article a bit off-topic (WP:GA?#3b). Let me know if I am misinterpreting your suggestion. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 10:29, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      @Kavyansh.Singh: Well, I'll ping SL93 here if they want to weigh in, but I think that the section kind of mixes in reaction with subsequent events in a way that makes the text flow jerkily. It does touch on enough things, I don't see any topics missing, per se, but I feel like a lot of it could use more context to effectively address the major aspects in detail. Like, when did Bush do that number with poland, and why? Just how popular was broccoli, and was it a sudden thing or a buildup? What really happened in that debate over Bush's eating habits—was it just a lot of criticism? Did something come out of that debate? Who was on what side? What was it that Bush occasionally said about broccoli in his later years?
      In other words, I think that while a lot of important events in the story are touched on here, I think that you're kind of skating over them. I'm not looking for comprehensiveness, and you don't need to go in-depth about every incident. But where it's important, I'd like it the article to be less of a grab bag—take one or two important events in the aftermath and spruce that up, give things a little more context, and we'd be golden there.
      By the way, you could probably put a {{tweet}} or two in last section to spruce up the image requirement—I particularly like this one from Bush. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 00:32, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Okay, so I tried it once again. Added some background details on "vegetable of the 80s", consumption of broccoli, broccoli's growth in California, impact of his comments on market, added the tweet (thanks for that, it look really good!), re-arranged the text, misc. As to other questions above, the sources do not discuss it. Without sources, I can't add more context. I scanned through various sources and websites, but there I am unable to find any reliable source supporting other claims. Do you have any particular source in mind which answers some/all of the above questions. Rest, I'll do whatever I can. Thanks! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 13:33, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        @Kavyansh.Singh: nice job, that's exactly what I'm looking for! Just a couple more suggestions:

Neutrality

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Pass-adena!

Than Kyun – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 10:02, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Stability

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pass-ifier :)

Than Uyên – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 10:03, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Illustration

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I find it hard to believe that there's not more images, but illustration isn't a requirement and all the images are relevant. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 02:36, 21 December 2021 (UTC) Actually, if you could take an image from the C-SPAN video (should be public domain, no? If not, it's definitely fair use), that'd work splendidly. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 03:02, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean this video? The copy-right status is unknown, we'll need to assume it as a non-free media. And I doubt whether it meets WP:NFCC#8. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 10:36, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Overall

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Fantastic job, Kavyansh! There's a lot of little things to hammer out, but I think my main issue so far is that this feels a little small. There's definitely room for expansion here, and I'd want to see a bit more on specific incidents and background trends, possibly in their own paragraphs. Overall, this is going great! I'm going to put this  On hold while we work this out. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 03:50, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()
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@Theleekycauldron – Thanks for reviewing it! I have taken care of all the points, or replied above. As to the broadness criteria, as i said above, I'm not very-sure if the article is a short one, but would appreciate your feedback! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 10:41, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, give me few hours, I'll try to expand the article (I got something!) – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 10:07, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Theleekycauldron – I think I have fixed the issues, and have tried to expand the article as well. Thanks! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 18:51, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I responded in the broadness section above, this'll take some haggling... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 00:34, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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All righty, Kavyansh, that's a Pass!

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Thanks! Still can't believe we have an entire article on Bush hating broccoli! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 04:59, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

if we had asked bush in 1995 whether he'd rather eat broccoli for every meal for the rest of his life, or live under a democratic president for the rest of his life, i legitimately have no idea which one he'd pick, reading this—he hated broccoli with a passion. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 05:14, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 20:54, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Improved to Good Article status by Kavyansh.Singh (talk). Self-nominated at 05:30, 29 December 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: ATL0 is concise and interesting. The hook is supported by the NYT quoting Bush: that he "never, ever, wants to see another sprig of broccoli on his plate, whether he is on Air Force One or at the White House or anywhere else in the land." Article was just promoted from GA so the article qualifies. I also checked the references to see that the article was cited correctly. The long quotes trip the copyright detector. I do not think it is an issue because they are properly quoted or attributed. No photo is needed, although a chunk of broccoli might get attention. Bruxton (talk) 20:33, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your review! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 18:43, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
ALT0 to T:DYK/P5

This article contains repetition of three paragraphs.

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Read article, doesn’t take long to see this 75.80.50.188 (talk) 04:55, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, that is the lead section of the article. Refer to MOS:LAYOUT and MOS:LEAD – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 15:12, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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