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Great Bear (roller coaster) has been listed as one of the Sports and recreation good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Review: October 31, 2022. (Reviewed version).

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A fact from Great Bear (roller coaster) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 19 November 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the roller coaster Great Bear is named after the constellation Ursa Major?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2022/November. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Great Bear (roller coaster).

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Notability

@Epicgenius:, can you please provide the sources which you know to exist which indicate notability for this topic? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:17, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Horse Eye's Back, I noticed you are challenging the notability of several coasters. WikiProject Amusement Parks typically supports having articles for roller coasters that have a unique design and received coverage in secondary sources. These generally meet WP:GNG. However, cookie-cutter designs that see multiple installations around the world are not really noteworthy. Also, coasters that may be unique but came and went with only basic coverage in press releases shouldn't have a standalone article either. In those cases, it is preferred to have a redirect and merge the content of the article into the park's main article. Great Bear and SooperDooperLooper are probably okay as standalone articles. Toboggan is definitely more questionable. Consider bringing this up at WT:WikiProject Amusement Parks for more visibility and participation. --GoneIn60 (talk) 17:38, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for weighing in @GoneIn60. In response to Horse Eye's Back: the Great Bear article does not consist merely of "local coverage", as was alleged in this edit summary. For example, the Morning Call (Allentown, PA) and the York Dispatch are not considered "local" - Allentown is as far from Hershey as it is from NYC. There is a feature length article about the Great Bear in the Lancaster New Era, which also isn't exactly a local newspaper. The coaster is also covered in a New Jersey newspaper. I did not include the travel reviews that I found, but these can also be used to describe critical reception. – Epicgenius (talk) 18:32, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:47, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Great Bear (roller coaster)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 21:55, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I may use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

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Lede

maximum speed of 58 miles per hour (93 km/h) or 60 miles per hour (97 km/h), - how can it have two maximum speeds? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:31, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I have fixed this now - different sources give conflicting top speeds. Epicgenius (talk) 13:16, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
including steel roller coaster SooperDooperLooper and log flume Coal Cracker, as well as the Spring Creek - we name three items, but use "and" before the second one? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:31, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed. Epicgenius (talk) 13:16, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
major elements represent the stars within the constellation - presumably this is an aesthetic thing? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:31, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I think the seven elements represent the fact that there are seven stars in Ursa Major, rather than representing the stars themselves. Epicgenius (talk) 13:16, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There is one ref in the infobox, can we not cite this in the body instead? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:31, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I have moved it down now. Epicgenius (talk) 13:16, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

General

look for roller coaster records because it would not equate to better thrills - I think we need toexplain what we mean by records. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:38, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I added a link to List of roller coaster rankings. Basically, from the 1980s to the 2000s, several amusement parks in the US were competing to build the fastest, tallest, or longest roller coasters, breaking either the world record or a regional record (e.g. tallest roller coaster in the state). Hersheypark did not want to build a record-breaking roller coaster because the park wouldn't derive any additional benefit from having, say, the tallest or fastest roller coaster. Epicgenius (talk) 13:16, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
the company met the park's preferences - I don't really know what this means. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:46, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Basically, B&M's plan was most similar to what Hersheypark wanted, but since that phrase is redundant, I have removed it. Hersheypark presumably chose B&M because Hersheypark thought B&M had the best proposal. Epicgenius (talk) 13:16, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"entitled" does not mean what you use it to mean. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:46, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed. Epicgenius (talk) 13:16, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
about 1.2 million riders per year. - presumably this is an average? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:46, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Yep. Epicgenius (talk) 13:16, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The image in characteristics is a bit hard to tell which bit is the ride from the description Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:46, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I have clarified the caption now. Epicgenius (talk) 13:16, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The ride is supported by either 214[15] or 217 piers.[ - I'm a bit unsure how it can be both? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:46, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I've clarified that the sources disagree over how many piers the ride has. I'm not exactly sure why there's a discrepancy, but it could be the way that the piers are counted, especially if there are clusters of several piers. Epicgenius (talk) 13:16, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In addition, pairs of red "photo eyes" are mounted above the track to detect obstructions. A beam of light shines between each pair of "photo eyes", and the ride automatically shuts down if the light beam is obstructed. - this doesn't exactly explain what a "photo eye" is. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:46, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I've clarified this now. Unfortunately, the source doesn't specify whether these are infrared, laser, or regular light sensors. Epicgenius (talk) 13:16, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Review meta comments

I'll begin the review as soon as I can! If you fancy returning the favour, I have a list of nominations for review at WP:GAN and WP:FAC, respectively. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these if you get time. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:55, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- @Lee Vilenski: Thanks for the review. I have now addressed all of the issues you mentioned above. Epicgenius (talk) 13:17, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 11:01, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the roller coaster Great Bear was the first inverted looping coaster in Pennsylvania? Source: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/54221638/great-bear-roller-coaster-roars-into/
- ALT1: ... that the roller coaster Great Bear is named after the constellation Ursa Major? Source: Same as Alt0
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Holy Ground (song)

Improved to Good Article status by Adog (talk) and Epicgenius (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 20:11, 1 November 2022 (UTC).[reply]

-- Article has been promoted to GA, good for a DYK nomination. Images have Creative Commons licenses. Earwig's Copyvio Detector shows 'zero' copyright issues. Article is well sourced and citations check. First hook is the more interesting, imo. Article is good to go. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 21:10, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for the review Gwillhickers. I'd like to thank Onegreatjoke for nominating this for DYK, as well, though I'd also like to credit Adog as he did most of the heavy lifting on the article. Epicgenius (talk) 21:39, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dual thank you's to reviewer and nominator, and equal credit to Epicgenius for completing the GA review! Adog (Talk・Cont) 01:17, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]