Talk:H. (song)

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In reference to Tool's "H", there is also an explanation that appeared a long time ago on the now-defunct website innuendocornecopria.com. As the site was dedicated to finding the multiple interpretations of Tool's songs, the one explanation that was provided for "H" involved the element Hydrogen. This element appears on the Periodic Table of Elements as "H", which would explain the title. It is also one of the most unstable elements found on the table, and presents two casted contradicting statements:

-- The instability of the element Hydrogen as compared to the instability of life. This works, as the protagonist of the story speaks during the choruses that "I am too connected to you to slip away, fade away, take away. I still feel you changing me", showing his instability.

-- The instability of the element Hydrogen as compared to the instability of the Roman Catholic church's views. The song involves many lyrics that can be taken in a Biblical sense, like "..and as the snake was drowned, there's a look in your eyes. My fear begins to fade, recalling all of the times I could have tried then. I should have died then" or "looking to turn the piss into wine" and the protagonist being "totally void of hate", all referencing to different forms of the stories of Adam, Eve, and the Apple of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden, as well as Jesus Christ's commonly accepted ability to turn water into wine.

There is also a second level that can support the idea of metaphorically using the element Hydrogen in the songs, as the music sways constantly back and forth from calm and sullen to harsh and ferocious, showing a form of instability in the music itself. The climatic ending is also of major significance, as the breakdown before the final set of lyrics changes with cymbal rides and a subsequent drum rolls showing the final blast of energy from the element Hydrogen. To a good listener, you'll also notice that the drums are hit harder than in any previous portion of the song, giving an impression that the instability has driven to a point of possible finality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.65.49.221 (talk • contribs) 22:59, 12 June 2006

H = Heroin

Listen to the lyrics of this song very carefully and it will make sense or at least more sense than what I have read so far.

Think of a drug when you read the following.

"What's coming through is alive."

"My blood before me begs me open up my heart again and I feel this coming over like a storm again"

"I am too, connected to you to slip away, to fade away, Days away I still feel you touching me, changing me, and considerately killing me"

Clearly a plausible explanation or reasoning behind his motives for wrtiting such an emotional song. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.137.238.187 (talk • contribs) 03:22, 22 November 2006

H.

Could it stand for Jesus H. Christ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.166.101.201 (talk • contribs) 13:15, 20 September 2009

That's what stood out for me when I first saw the title. _EricLeb⁰¹ (Page | Talk) 05:03, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Devo H, his son. Oh Frustration (talk) 16:28, 31 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 7 April 2015

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 17:21, 13 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

H. → H. (song) – better 76.120.162.73 (talk) 20:08, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support, but better H. (Tool song) In ictu oculi (talk) 22:51, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support per In ictu oculi. CookieMonster755 (talk) 00:25, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support the current title should redirect to the disambiguation page for "H" H (disambiguation). "H." grammatically refers to all abbreviations that are just "H" -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 10:55, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:CONCISE, WP:SMALLDETAILS, etc. Red Slash 14:28, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Common English grammar would disagree with you. "H." is any abbreviation that is reduced to the letter H ; therefore, it is not this song. -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 04:54, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

User:Red Slash, how exactly does the reader distinguish this article from H. (noble)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by In ictu oculi (talk • contribs) 21:49, 15 April 2015

Oppose per Red Slash. Dohn joe (talk) 15:57, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:CONCISE, WP:SMALLDETAILS, that should be "support" unless "." is not a small detail. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:09, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The point of WP:SMALLDETAILS is that you can use small details to naturally distinguish article titles: "Using minor details to naturally disambiguate articles

Titles of distinct articles may differ only in their detail. Many such differences involve capitalization, punctuation, accentuation, or pluralization: MAVEN and Maven; Airplane! and Airplane; Sea-Monkeys and SeaMonkey; The World Is Yours and The Wörld Is Yours." Dohn joe (talk) 12:58, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's not the whole point, see the rest. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:52, 13 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And not by a dot . , seriously look at H (disambiguation). In ictu oculi (talk) 21:47, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Precisely. Do a ctrl-f search for "h." You find an obscure Hungarian noble, a nickname, and this article. None of the other articles are known as "h." Dohn joe (talk) 21:51, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support per WP:SMALLDETAILS which continues, "While each name in such a pair may already be precise and apt, a reader who enters one term might in fact be looking for the other, so use appropriate disambiguation techniques,..." which in this case means the disambiguation as nominated, not that I wouldn't prefer (Tool song) which would also count for title stability. --Richhoncho (talk) 19:23, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support move with either "song" or "Tool song" - "H." is just a shorthand for any abbreviation beginning with H, it certainly doesn't only refer to this song. It should redirect to H (disambiguation). — Amakuru (talk) 12:33, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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