Talk:HMS Trent (1796)

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A fact from HMS Trent (1796) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 10 December 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that HMS Trent helped keep the Dutch in port by sending bogus signals to a non-existent fleet?

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Date	Process	Result
June 30, 2024	Good article nominee	Listed
August 14, 2024	Good topic candidate	Promoted

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Bruxton talk 15:25, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that HMS Trent helped keep the Dutch in port by sending bogus signals to a non-existent fleet? Source: Anne Veronica Coates; Philip McDougal, eds. (2011). The Naval Mutinies of 1797: Unity and Perseverance. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 9781782040057.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Tychon (missile)

Created by Ykraps (talk). Self-nominated at 08:29, 2 December 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/HMS Trent (1796); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Article is new enough and long enough. Going to have to AGF throughout since I don't have access to most of these sources. #4 seems OK even if the source text is a bit similar to the article text. #16 supports some of the claims. #18 does not mention Trent. Not seeing any NPOV issues. Plagiarism- and copyvio-wise, I see some text is repeated across articles on ships, things like "Carronades were lighter so could be manoeuvred with fewer men, and had a faster rate of fire but had a much shorter". I'd like to ask for a quote supporting the hook, 'specially since the ISBN link doesn't work. It is interesting however. QPQ is a bit basic but passable. Images seem fine. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:12, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Jo-Jo Eumerus: I'm not sure I fully understand what you're asking. Which part isn't covered by #16? Re #18, James III p.142 clearly mentions Trent in the third paragraph. The copied text you refer to is solely mine so I believe is okay without attribution. The isbn is correct [[1]] so I'm not sure why it isn't working. The book states that, "Duncan ordered Trent and Circe to patrol the Texel and send out signals to a non-existent British fleet. The ruse proved successful and the Dutch fleet remained in harbour". --Ykraps (talk) 08:18, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I must have missed the non-Google ISBNs. The copied text might be a problem regarding the length requirement, but this article's long enough that a few sentences don't make a difference. With #16 I meant that at least part of the claims cited to it are supported by the source, with the others presumably from the other source. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:29, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:HMS Trent (1796)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Ykraps (talk · contribs) 18:51, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Sturmvogel 66 (talk · contribs) 11:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll get to this shortly--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 11:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image appropriately licensed
Too much detail in the lede. No need for the tonnage or the reason for the mutiny
Trimmed. --Ykraps (talk) 08:22, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tell the reader what type of ship each one is on first appearance
Done, I think. Let me know if I've missed any. --Ykraps (talk) 08:22, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
last years as a fifth rate, in the West Indies confusing, suggest "last years on active service in..."
Okay, done. I was suggesting her armament would have been reduced when she was converted to a hospital ship. --Ykraps (talk) 08:22, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Might be worth mentioning that carronades were not calculated in ship's rating during that time.
Already mentioned in a footnote. --Ykraps (talk) 08:22, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Edward Bowater should be linked as notable. A redlink is perfectly fine0
Done. --Ykraps (talk) 08:22, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
link lugger
Done. --Ykraps (talk) 08:22, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
After a ten-hour chase the French privateer was captured near St Aubin's Bay. She turned out to be the 10-gun Renard, from St Malo. combine these two sentences
Okay, done. --Ykraps (talk) 08:22, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Add a cite in the table of flag officers as I missed the one in the main body on my first readthrough--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 14:58, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done. --Ykraps (talk) 08:22, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Links only need to be provided for the first use of a ship type. But that doesn't prevent me promoting now.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 20:07, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thanks for the review. --Ykraps (talk) 12:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]