Talk:Haniel

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These can't possibly all be applicable for such a short article. I think it would be a good idea cut the list down to those that were actually consulted. TCC (talk) (contribs) 22:46, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

None of these have been consulted, yet. The links and books are there for a time when the article is expanded, which hopefully will be soon. I would have done it long ago, but as I'm only in possession of one of these books, my work is cut short. Satanael 16:05, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, this isn't really proper. The References section is for sources actually used. Why don't you cut the list down to the one that you do have, where you presumably got the name of this archangel from? Any others actually used should be added when they are used, not before. TCC (talk) (contribs) 21:57, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I changed it to say "Further Reading" then, as I only used one of those books to actually find it, as well as confirming it with the External Links.

As for info on him. Well, according to A Dictionary of Angels: Including the fallen angels, Haniel is considered, by various sources, to be one of the seven Archangels. He is chief of the order of Innocents, according to Barret, in The Magus. As cited by Camfield in A Theologival Discourse of Angels, Haniel is also governor of the sign of Capricorn, and of Venus.

He is also cited as being one of the chiefs of the orders of Virtues and Principalities, according to Heywood, The Hierarchy of the Blessed Angels. Satanael 12:13, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Considered by whom? The passive voice covers a multitude of sins. I'm going to revert again. This archangel is not found in Christian tradition to my knowledge. Cite a source that says he is if you want to change my mind, and a reasonably authoritative source at that. (Occultism or esotericism is not Christian, but that's where associations with Zodiacal signs and planets comes from. No source with such a focus is reliable for Christianity.) TCC (talk) (contribs) 18:45, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wow

Amidst all the hubbub above, I'm surprised the stub article forgot to mention perhaps the most important bit of data: Haniel is associated with Venus. I added that plus the common etymology. Alexander 007 23:08, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I also moved the article to Haniel. Even if there is another usage, it is not worth creating a disambiguation for this article; see Gabriel. Alexander 007 23:10, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]