Talk:Harold G. Hoffman

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Dutch or DEUTSCH

Hoffman (Hoffmann) was more likey of German descent. "The word Dutch is related to the German endonym "deutsch"[3] and only over time has acquired its distinct English meaning referring to the language and people from the Netherlands that historically were part of the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation and ethnically German.[4][5][6] Etymologically, the word dutch originates from the Old High German word "diutisc" (from "diot" "people"), referring to the Germanic "language of the people" as opposed to Latin, the language of the learned (see also theodiscus). Only later did the word come to refer to the people who spoke the language.[7] Other Germanic language variants for "deutsch/deitsch/dutch" are: Dutch "Duits", Yiddish "daytsh", Danish "tysk", Norwegian "tysk", and Swedish "tyska".[8]

The English term Germans is only attested from the mid-16th century, based on the classical Latin term "Germani" used by Julius Caesar and later Tacitus. It gradually replaced the terms "Dutch" and "Almains", the latter becoming mostly obsolete by the early 18th century. 17th and 18th century British and Anglo-America literature commonly drew a distinction between the "High Dutch"—referring to the German language or to German-speakers from the Holy Roman Empire—and the "Low Dutch"—referring to the Dutch language of the Netherlands.[9] Thus, the Pennsylvania Dutch are not the Dutch people from the Netherlands[10] but descendents of people who spoke a type of High Dutch. Therefore, despite urban legend to the contrary, the term Pennsylvania Dutch is not so much a misnomer as it is an anachronism." Pennsylvania Dutch 91.65.16.181 (talk) 18:12, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's not the case, according to the cited source. "Harold G. Hoffman...in the paternal line comes of a family that originated in Sweden and married with the nobility of Holland." (Myers, William Starr. The Story of New Jersey, 1945. Reprinted as Prominent Families of New Jersey, Genealogical Publishing Company, 2000, p. 8.) --Offenbach (talk) 18:40, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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