Talk:History of the Jews in Belgium

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Highest percentage.

What and when was the largest percentage of the total Belgium population that was reached by Belgium Jews??? 95.27.101.226 (talk) 11:09, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Belgium itself does not include religions in its census data [1]. This site of the Flemish tourism office [2] says the peak was with the German refugees in the 1930s. Jewish Virtual Library [3] says in 1939 there were more than 100,000, the former Belgian tourism office website [4] had 65,000 in 1939. Total population then [5] was around 8.37 million. Not precise and not scientific numbers, maybe WP:ORIG, but still an idea: a range of between 0.78 to 1.19% in 1939. Addition: found a scientific document, the 2007 Cegesoma report to the Belgian Senate. On page 45, the historians write the number was more than 70,000 "at the eve of World War II" (which erupted on 10 May 1940 in Belgium). On page 1084, they say that number included almost 95% foreigners. [6]. Wakari07 (talk) 22:12, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Ritual slaughtering and Jewish cemeteries

These two topics should be included in the article in the "Today" section. Ritual slaughtering without anaestesia is now forbidden in Belgium, which has consequences for both the Muslim and Jewish communities. As fot the cemeteries, Belgium has a system of long term leasing, not permanent, thus making it impossible for Orthodox Jews to be buried in Belgium. So, there are three Jewish cemeteries in a Dutch border village, Putte. --Minorities observer (talk) 13:47, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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I think the picture of the Jews burned at the stake in this article is misleading. The file used in this article doesn't say what scene is depicted and what nationality are the Jews burned, but this one does say we are in Strasbourg 1. The miniature apparently depicts the 1349 Strasbourg massacre (you can read part of the manuscript's text here 2). So those depicted aren't Belgian Jews. The only link with Belgium is that the manuscript was produced in [the County of] Flanders (which isn't even Belgium but that's another matter); however, Flanders was the world's center for illuminated manuscripts production in the Middle Ages... Dawie Chun (talk) 14:37, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Here you can find an HD scan of the full page 1.

And this is the Latin text:

Anno m° ccc° xlix°, capti fuerunt Judei, et in carce-

ribus et prisionibus universaliter positi, in omnibus

locis, ubicumque morabantur. Ratio autem captionis

fuit quoniam vehemens suspicio erat super eos quod

ipsi populum Cristianum maliciose per venenum des-

truere nitebantur, et quod venenum in puteis, in fonti-

bus et in aquis secrète projitiebant, prout poterant ; et

hoc fecerunt in pluribus locis, sicut fama et rumor

communis laborabat. Erant autem inter eos quidam

de secta eorum astrologi subtiles et periti, qui secun-

dum cursum stellarum prenosticabant eis mortalitem

[fol. 13] futuram, et per hoc sperabant suam malitiam

securius atque subtilius adimplere. Videbant eciam.

Thus the location is unknown and the setting is in the year 1349, and we know that the manuscript was completed before 1352 2. The only known anti-semitic incident in Flanders involving burning is the Brussels massacre, but that took place in 1370.

The image is probably a general depiction of Black death persecutions in the Middle Ages. However, (present-day) Belgium was a relatively calm place for Jews compared to (present-day) Germany, France, and even Switzerland. If however the author had a specific persecution in mind, I think that, considering the manuscript's author was a French-speaking from Tournai, and that it talks about 1349 persecutions, it might well be the Strasbourg massacre.

If we are to use this image on this page, we might as well use it in the Histories of Jews of most European countries. Dawie Chun (talk) 14:59, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]