Talk:Hurricane Carmen
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Pic
[edit]A pic for Carmen can be found here. http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/general/lib/lib1/nhclib/mwreviews/1974.pdf Not sure if it is copyrighted or not...Hurricanehink 23:12, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
- It's a NOAA site, it's not copyrighted. I converted it from pdf form and will upload it now. -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 22:31, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
- Just because it's from a NOAA site doesn't mean it's not copyrighted. NOAA has a lot of pictures "used with permission" from local counties' libraries...which are not made or owned by NOAA. See Image:Tropical_Storm_Allison.jpg as an example. Jdorje 01:31, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Todo
[edit]I put this as a stub because it has no info on impact. Jdorje 22:56, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Downgraded, impact sections are too short and stubby at times. CrazyC83 04:09, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
- If citations were added, this could be a B Class article. - auburnpilot talk 03:48, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
1974 Pic
[edit]ARGH! If it wasn't for the fact that GIBBS has pics on a quality of nearly absolute trash from 74, finding a pic wouldn't be too hard. But then again, barely any Carmen satellite photos exist, so I feel lucky...somewhat. Jake52 My island 13:52, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
- Nah, good job with finding that image. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:59, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
- OK, I'm confused. What "duplicate"? Far as I know, I've never seen the supposed duplicate and ever if one existed, why was it never added to the article to begin with? If there was a dup., then I'm sorry, but I never found it. And if there wasn't, why was my pic edited out? Hurricane Angel Saki-My own personal NHC 05:05, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
- That's very weird, as it wasn't a duplicate. I left a message on the Commons talk page of the user who deleted it. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:04, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
- I found a somewhat clearer image of Hurricane Carmen on the GIBBS gallery.Supportstorm (talk) 04:42, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
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Hurricane Carmen nearing landfall on Louisiana.
Tropical Depression #2?
[edit]This should have at least been the third, if not the fifth, recognized TD of the season. What's the source of that statement? Thegreatdr (talk) 02:59, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Popular culture
[edit]As part of an ongoing upgrade of this article, I have removed the single-line section on the storm's depiction in Forest Gump. It's an interesting piece of trivia, but I don't believe it to be relevant to the article, which should be a scientific account of the storm itself. Feel free to discuss here. –Juliancolton | Talk 01:47, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
- Yea, agreed. It's interesting, but it's more important in a Tropical cyclones in popular culture sort of article. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:49, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
GA Review
[edit]- This review is transcluded from Talk:Hurricane Carmen/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: Xtzou (Talk) 17:33, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
In general, this is a very nice article. I have just a few comments:
- "the feature ignited a tropical wave in the Intertropical Convergence Zone." - what is "the feature"
- "eye feature" - this seems like artificial wording - is is common in meteorology?
- Yeah it is - it basically refers to a cyclone eye that isnt an eye.Jason Rees (talk) 18:01, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
- eye (cyclone) is piped twice within a couple sentences of each other, once to "eye feature" and once to "eyewall". Isn't this unnecessarily confusing to the reader?
- "the more northern of which became consolidated and organized. Moving westward, the system organized into a tropical depression" - repeat "organized"
- "Heavy fell on Hispaniola as the storm progressed westward" - rain? Except you repeat it in the next sentence: "High winds and heavy rainfall were reported there and in Cuba" - needs addressing
- "The city of Chetumal was described as a disaster" - a disaster area?
- "Since Carmen had moved ashore over marshland, it caused "far less" damage than initially feared" - don't see the point of using quotes for "far less"
- ref 2 http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/hurdat/easyread-2008.html is a dead link - It has 10 refs so it needs replacing.
- Sorted - JC can you do a check of other articles using that link please. :)Jason Rees (talk) 18:01, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
I will put this article on hold while you address these issues.
Regards, Xtzou (Talk) 17:33, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
- Done with everything, I believe. I've also undone one of your edits, specifically the one changing "initially" to "in the beginning". I feel the original wording was less clunky. Thanks for the review! –Juliancolton | Talk 18:07, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
Further comments That was quick. Looks good, except for one more thing"
- " Initially threatening the major city of New Orleans, it veered westward and made landfall again over marshland, eventually dissipating over Texas on September 10. Damage was lighter than initially feared" - repeat of "initially".
- Got it, thanks! –Juliancolton | Talk 19:51, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
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Well done! Congratulations, Xtzou (Talk) 20:04, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
Prose comments from Cryptic C62
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Here are some comments on the article's prose:
- "where it nearly stalled." Any idea why it stalled? Any idea how it got un-stalled?
- It stalled because the steering currents got weaker, as discussed in the article. Juliancolton (talk) 14:55, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
- Ah, now that I know that the steering currents were atmospheric rather than tidal, this makes sense. However, I still don't understand how it magically went from being "nearly stalled" to accelerating again. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 18:55, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
- "and on Jamaica, the storm caused three drownings." Drownings due to heavy rainfall or high seas? Perhaps it would be better to replace "the storm" with the specific cause. Alternative wording: "and on Jamaica, three people drowned due to _______"
- I can't find any more specific info on this, although I agree it would be a useful addition if possible. I'll keep an eye out. Juliancolton (talk) 12:41, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
That's it. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 17:18, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for the continued review, but to be perfectly honest, I'm afraid I disagree with many of your requests. We must assume some degree of competence on the readers' part and not dull-ify the article by explaining, linking, and over-analyzing everything. Thoughts? Respectfully, Juliancolton (talk) 03:47, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
- No offense taken, my good man. You have every right to disagree with my comments, and I don't intend to oppose the FAC based on nitpicks. However, you must realize this: You are more familiar with this topic and with your own writing than the vast majority of readers will be. If I, as someone who truly knows nothing about storms, point out a piece of phrasing that I don't like, it is either because I honestly don't understand it or because I honestly believe it will confuse people. Your goal and my goal are one in the same: to make the most accessible article possible. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 02:23, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
- Alright, that's fair. I really appreciate the outside review, which is helping to make significant improvements to the article. Juliancolton (talk) 13:18, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
- No offense taken, my good man. You have every right to disagree with my comments, and I don't intend to oppose the FAC based on nitpicks. However, you must realize this: You are more familiar with this topic and with your own writing than the vast majority of readers will be. If I, as someone who truly knows nothing about storms, point out a piece of phrasing that I don't like, it is either because I honestly don't understand it or because I honestly believe it will confuse people. Your goal and my goal are one in the same: to make the most accessible article possible. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 02:23, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Orphaned references in Hurricane Carmen
[edit]I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Hurricane Carmen's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "hurdat":
- From Hurricane Elena: Hurricane Research Division (2012). "Easy to Read HURDAT Best Track 2012". National Hurricane Center.
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suggested) (help) - From Tropical cyclone: NHC Hurricane Research Division (2006-02-17). "Atlantic hurricane best track ("HURDAT")". NOAA. Retrieved 2007-02-22.
- From Hurricane Beulah: Atlantic hurricane research division (2009). "Atlantic hurricane database (HURDAT) "best track" (1851–2008)". NOAA. Retrieved 2009-09-13. [dead link]
- From Hurricane Allen: National Hurricane Center (2010-03-06). "[[HURDAT|North Atlantic Hurricane Database]]". National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Retrieved 2010-03-06.
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: URL–wikilink conflict (help) [dead link] - From List of Florida hurricanes (1950–1974): NHC Hurricane Research Division (2006-02-17). "Atlantic hurricane best track". NOAA. Retrieved 2007-04-05.
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 17:48, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
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