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Citation Titles

I recently noticed some citations in their article are titled “Tropical Storm GRACE” or any variant of that name (for example: Tropical Depression GRACE). When citing NHC issued advisories, please always use the 4th line of the article as the title (for example, let’s say that you are citing the first advisory of of Hurricane Grace. The proper title of that is “Potential Tropical Cyclone Seven Advisory Number 1”.). This rule is also used for discussions, forecast discussions, and wind speed Probabilities. Thank you. Kayree kh (talk) 10:57, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've had to correct that before. I think it's because some people are autofilling parameters from the URL, which often gives incorrect results. TornadoLGS (talk) 16:42, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Which image to use

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was the second image.

Image 1	Image 2	Image 3

There is an ongoing edit war for which image to use. Since we can't agree on one of these three, let's agree. 🌀AwesomeHurricaneBoss🌀 11:37, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Second image, which is closest to peak intensity. There are no compelling reasons to use the other ones.--Jasper Deng (talk) 05:54, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Both images are when the storm was 125 mph, at 00:00z, on best track. That itself is not a compelling argument. If anything, image 2 is closer to peak intensity because it was at 02z, while FleurDeOdile's inage was at 04z. Also, his image background is purposely tilted to the side (yet the overlay of the storm IR is not) to cover up the area of missing data and is less realistic. The image is visibly stretched out /distorted on the left as well. Hurricaneboy23 (page) * (talk) 22:12, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Not so. It has 105 knots at 0z and 110 at 6z, and 420z is closer to the latter.—Jasper Deng (talk) 22:26, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I support Image 2 per Jasper Deng. 🌀AwesomeHurricaneBoss🌀 18:46, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Image 2 I'm not at all a fan of using IR images, but image 2 is the best quality for a peak intensity image. GOES IR is pretty low resolution and the 3rd image is blown up well past it's useful resolution. Image 2 is as well but not to the same extent. Supportstorm (talk) 22:35, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- So I guess that we are going to use Image 2. Can someone please close the discussion as I don't know how to. 🌀AwesomeHurricaneBoss🌀 13:29, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Closed it. Planets For Life 22:40, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

@AwesomeHurricaneBoss and Hurricaneboy23: Please stop reverting each other and just present your reasonings, as it is really pathetic that you are reverting over images taken an hour and a half apart. This is especially true when you stop and consider that most tropical cyclones that have ever existed do not have the luxury of an image to pick from every 5 minutes yet alone every hour.Jason Rees (talk) 21:58, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sick of these image edit wars. Any more reverting from either of you and I'm taking this article to RFPP. TornadoLGS (talk) 22:13, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Another edit war

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Edit war resolved between the parties, with the consensus in favor of Image 4 after Supportstorm tweaked it. No need to keep this open any further. I was involved, but I struck my !vote. Destroyer (Alternate account) 19:56, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Image 1	Image 2	Image 3	Image 4

Sooo....there's another one. Please agree on one. I support Image 3 🌀AwesomeHurricaneBoss🌀 11:54, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- @AwesomeHurricaneBoss: But why do you support it? Jason Rees (talk) 13:53, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - I support it because, 1, it looks better and 2, it was at peak intensity. Grace was at 100kts in image 1, 105 in image 2, 110 in image 3 and again 105 in image 4. According to my best track data, Grace could have been in between 90 and 100 knots at the time of image 4. 🌀AwesomeHurricaneBoss🌀 20:15, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - Ok @AwesomeHurricaneBoss: but why does it matter so much that image 4 is supposedly 5 knots weaker than image 3, that you want to edit war over it rather than present your reasonings on the talk page. After all I seriously doubt that Wikipedia wants to have images at the exact moment a hurricane peaks which is what you seem to want.Jason Rees (talk) 20:25, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      - Honestly...you're so hard to agree with. 🌀AwesomeHurricaneBoss🌀 20:28, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        @AwesomeHurricaneBoss: Im not asking you to agree with me, I am just asking you to explain your thinking over this image and why 5 knots matters so much that you are going to edit war to use it as the main image of the article. Especially when you stop and look at the bigger picture and see that the 5 knots or the way it looks doesnt really matter when most tropical cyclones have a limited amount of pictures.Jason Rees (talk) 20:47, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        I want this image and so does most other ppl. 🌀AwesomeHurricaneBoss🌀 21:18, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        @AwesomeHurricaneBoss: per the NHC operational (we use the operational advisories until the TCR comes out), Grace peaked at 06Z [1]. We don't use our personal besttracks. Destroyer (Alternate account) 19:11, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Image 3 looks more like a peaking hurricane. Hurricane4235 (talk) 16:12, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Slight preference for Image 4 since it was a bit more intense at that time, at least going by the advisories. I'm not sure where to access BT data for this year. TornadoLGS (talk) 18:18, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

*I prefer Image 4 as it was closer to peak intensity (110 kt vs 105 kt Image 3). And also, enough of these image wars. We're not having a repeat of Delta 2020. Destroyer (Alternate account) 19:15, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Image 3 or 4 – Either one of these are okay, as they are both decent images (for IR image edits) and close to the peak; that makes them the most representative images since the storm underwent RI and peaked right before landfall. However, I have a slight preference for Image 4, because it is closer to the Category 3 peak. Seriously, though. Just please stop with the image wars. It's disruptive, and it's not even worth it. Also, please read my Op-Ed on image-warring in this newsletter, and also consult WP:WPTC/IMG, regarding TC images. Image-warring is absolutely unacceptable. Consider yourselves warned. The next time this happens, there will be consequences. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 21:12, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Image 3 I stand by my original preference. Image 4 is poorly done with the clouds having transparency issues and strange artifacting. It's also been blown up about 4x too large compared to it's source resolution. My edit for image 3 isn't perfect either but it doesn't have the same issues as mentioned for 4. Supportstorm (talk) 22:34, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Maybe, could you try improving image 4 the way you did to image 3? Because I can't stand it if Image 4 is the winner and the image sticks with this crappy look. -_- 🌀AwesomeHurricaneBoss🌀 16:43, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - @AwesomeHurricaneBoss: I suggest that you stay civil. Destroyer (Alternate account) 17:40, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - I gotta agree with Destroyer. It is important to stay cool. It's just a picture. Simply saying that you can't stand something rings of WP:IDONTLIKEIT. TornadoLGS (talk) 17:56, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Image 3 better image as Supportstorm said HurricaneEdgar 00:54, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I would like to see comments from @Hurricaneboy23: before the discussion is closed.Jason Rees (talk) 19:19, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I reverted the inappropriate closure per WP:INVOLVED and the fact this discussion only opened a couple of days ago. Noah^Talk 23:51, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Image 4 Again, for a rapidly intensifying hurricane, peak proximity is most important. @AwesomeHurricaneBoss: Image 4 is officially at 110 knots and image 3 is at 105 knots. Please refer to the advisories. I don't get it.--Jasper Deng (talk) 04:02, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Again, according to @Jason Rees: a hurricane peaking at that exact moment is not what Wikipedia wants. We want the best image. 🌀AwesomeHurricaneBoss🌀 13:05, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments from @Hurricaneboy23: would be great, because I can't stand if they revert the image again. 🌀AwesomeHurricaneBoss🌀 13:03, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
They all look like acceptable hurricane pictures to me. shrugs 184.57.147.234 (talk) 01:46, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Plus, Image 3 looks better as image 4 looks ragged so I prefer Image 3 Hurricane4235 (talk) 07:34, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder where is @Hurricaneboy23: Hurricane4235 (talk) 07:34, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Hurricaneboy23: pinging Hurricaneboy23 HurricaneEdgar 13:41, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You did not need to ping me here another 2 times, I got the message the first time. Since Supportstorm has improved the image, I am in support of Image 4 which is closer to peak intensity than all the images (all of them are either when grace was 115/120 mph) and is the most realistic looking. It is also consistent with the nighttime image of Hurricane Nicholas, and I like consistency. Also, @AwesomeHurricaneBoss:, I suggest you quit reverting images with little to no reasoning (you did not even give much real reasoning to why you started this discussion in rhe first place... besides that there was an edit war ongoing due to you not giving valid reasoning!!!). WP:IDONTLIKEIT is not a valid excuse. Hurricaneboy23 (page) * (talk) 14:38, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Need to remind you that you were just as complicit in this edit war, which seems to be a ongoing trend. The next instance of either one of you being involved in another image edit war will be reported to WP:AN/3. There have been numerous warnings posted in the past for similar behavior, please correct this. Supportstorm (talk) 16:56, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the cleanup of image 4. I am now supportive of all images except 2, still 3 preference. 🌀AwesomeHurricaneBoss🌀 17:11, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

TCR

The tropical cyclone report reduces the wind speed to 120mph, which means that the storm no longer ties Karl for the highest winds in the Bay of Campeche. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.26.29.150 (talk) 14:13, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]