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Is there any information regarding the possibility that Isabella Bird embellished her adventures to make her letters home more interesting? I am beginning to think she gathered stories she heard in the areas while she visited, and added them to her letters. No harm was done, but when the letters were published as actual truth, it was too late for her to recant them. Any research along these lines would be appreciated. Thanks. Hawaii Hiker — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.79.108.26 (talk) 05:39, 10 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's hard to find evidence to support this idea in the works that I have read. But you make it sound like such fictionalising would be beyond her control. She edited the letters prior to publication to remove elements she thought were too personal so there was no question of any recanting. If she made it up, she made a decision to print it as well. But what makes you think she did? And why lie to Hennie? --Mr impossible 10:51, 10 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

did she ever go to morocco — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.114.211.238 (talk) 03:11, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Korea and Her Neighbours

I obtained the pdf file of this book (2nd volume, so starting from Chapter 19) and am currently typing it out. So far there's a page missing here and this chapter has a page with parts so blurry that I can't make them out. If anyone can fill in the details that would be great. I can't seem to find the first volume either so I'd appreciate it if someone could send it to me (I live in Korea and it doesn't seem that Google Books allows direct downloading here without a proxy so I got someone to send the file to me). Mithridates 17:00, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Update on this: I know a teacher here in Korea that is getting his students to type up both volumes, and apparently they should be ready in a few weeks and then put up on the Gutenberg Project. In the meantime I finished typing out the second volume last week. Mithridates 08:28, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to add a section focusing on her travel photograph, particularly of China. Her photographs of the Yangtze Valley in particular are important because they are so early.Digivici (talk) 18:24, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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do you know

why did she explore try and find out —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.114.178.189 (talk) 01:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You've asked an important question. The current article glosses over the reason, attributing it to mental illness of some kind, which remains unsourced. The fact is, she was ill, and her doctors sent her overseas to find a cure. The change in climate probably did her good. Viriditas (talk) 23:19, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Works by isabella bird

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Isabella Lucy Bird - paternal antecedents^[1]

Lucy Wilberforce
Bird*
(1768–1847)
daughter of:
John Bird**
(1733/4–1772)
& Judith Wilberforce***
(1727–1806)

Married
1786
(Lucy and Robert
were 2nd cousins)

Robert Bird
(1760–1842)
son of:
Robert Bird
(c1723–1788)^[2]
& Mary Merttins
(1726–1804)

Mary Bird
(1787–1834)
Missionary,
died in Calcutta^[3]

Robert Merttins Bird^[4]
(1788–1853)
m(1) Jane Grant Brown
(1792–1821)
m(2)Jane Bird (cousin)
(1797–1845)
m(3)Henrietta Maria Jane
Grenfell
(1801–1897)

Henry Bird
(1790–?)
RN Commander retired 1848^[5]
m Anne Gruchy
(1809–1895)
from Jersey, Channel Islands^[6]

Lucy Bird^[7]
(1792-1873)
m Rev Marmaduke
Thompson
(1776-1851)

Edward Bird^[8]
(1793-1858)
m(1)Emma Burt
(1801–1825)^[9]

m(2)Dora Lawson
(1803-1866)
of Boroughbridge Hall
daughter of:
Barbara Isabella
Wilkingson (1769–1838)
& Rev Marmaduke Lawson
(1749–1814)

Elizabeth Bird^[10]
(1801–1878)
m James Harington Evans
(1785-1849)

Rebecca Bird
(1802-1874)

George Merttins Bird
(1807-1834)
m Sarah Robinson Brown
(1811-1904)^[11]

Henrietta Bird
(1812-1851)

Caroline Bird
(1815-1840)

Henrietta Amelia Bird
(1834–1880)

Isabella Lucy Bird
(1831–1904)
m Dr John Ford Bishop
(1841–1886)

Notes:
*Lucy's elder sister, Hannah, married Robert Sumner. Their children included Charles Sumner (bishop) & John Bird Sumner, Archbishop of Canterbury

**John Bird (1733/4–1772) was son of MP John Bird & Rebecca Martyn

***Judith's brother, Robert Wilberforce (1728–1768) married Elizabeth Bird, sister of Robert Bird (c1723–1788); their son was MP William Wilberforce, anti-slavery campaigner

Sidpickle (talk) 07:03, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

^ Davies, Edward J (2012). Some Connections of the Birds of Warwickshire (Vol. 26, No.1 ed.). Sausalito CA: The Genealogist: American Society of Genealogists.
^ https://www.newspapers.com/clip/77413419/robert-bird-died-in-bath-1788/ The Bath Chronicle, 13 November 1788, Deaths
^ https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/The_Christian_Observer/WlsS1PbiOeMC?q=%22robert+bird%22+taplow&gbpv=1#f=false The Christian Observer. (1835). United Kingdom: Hatchard and Company; page 189
^ Arbuthnot, A., & Howlett, D. Bird, Robert Merttins (1788–1853), East India Company servant. Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. Retrieved 4 Jul. 2021, from https://www.oxforddnb.com/view/10.1093/ref:odnb/9780198614128.001.0001/odnb-9780198614128-e-2450
^ Allen, Joseph (1852). The new navy list... : containing the names of all the commissioned officers in Her Majesty's fleet; also the masters, medical officers, pursers, chaplains, schoolmasters, and the officers on full pay of the Royal Marines. London: Smith, Elder and Co. pp. 87 & 278. Retrieved 14 July 2021.
^ https://catalogue.jerseyheritage.org/collection/Details/archive/110106622 Will of Anne Gruchy; Jersey Heritage Dated 16/08/1888
^ "Married". The Morning Chronicle. 5 December 1828. Retrieved 7 July 2021.
^ https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/133736769/edward-bird : accessed 25 June 2021, memorial page for Rev Edward Bird (14 May 1783-14 May 1858), Find a Grave Memorial ID 133736769, St Margaret and All Saints Churchyard, Wyton, Huntingdonshire District, Cambridgeshire, England ; Maintained by GariochGraver
^ https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGLJ-TPV : 5 February 2020 "India Deaths and Burials, 1719-1948", database, FamilySearch, Emma Bird, 1825
^ "Married". Jackson's Oxford Journal. 2 February 1833. Retrieved 7 July 2021.
^ https://www.newspapers.com/clip/80235387/hannah-brown-bird-death/ The Times, London, England; 27 Jul 1904, Wed Page 8

Photograph

Re: the photograph in the "Death" section, as queried here- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Stephencdickson#Veneration_of_the_grave_of_Isabella_Bird - what is this "veneration"? Why is there a hooded figure in the image at all? The image showing the gravestone would suffice. This is apparently the "own work" of the user named above; is he the one "venerating" the grave? With what authority, or in what capacity? It seems rather odd. The fact the filename contains "Chaos Project" is in itself suggestive of irreverence of some variety. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.24.234.59 (talk) 15:17, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Davies, Edward J (2012). Some Connections of the Birds of Warwickshire (Vol. 26, No.1 ed.). Sausalito CA: The Genealogist: American Society of Genealogists.

[2] ttps://www.newspapers.com/clip/77413419/robert-bird-died-in-bath-1788/ The Bath Chronicle, 13 November 1788, Deaths

[3] ttps://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/The_Christian_Observer/WlsS1PbiOeMC?q=%22robert+bird%22+taplow&gbpv=1#f=false The Christian Observer. (1835). United Kingdom: Hatchard and Company; page 189

[4] Arbuthnot, A., & Howlett, D. Bird, Robert Merttins (1788–1853), East India Company servant. Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. Retrieved 4 Jul. 2021, from https://www.oxforddnb.com/view/10.1093/ref:odnb/9780198614128.001.0001/odnb-9780198614128-e-2450

[5] Allen, Joseph (1852). The new navy list... : containing the names of all the commissioned officers in Her Majesty's fleet; also the masters, medical officers, pursers, chaplains, schoolmasters, and the officers on full pay of the Royal Marines. London: Smith, Elder and Co. pp. 87 & 278. Retrieved 14 July 2021.

[6] ttps://catalogue.jerseyheritage.org/collection/Details/archive/110106622 Will of Anne Gruchy; Jersey Heritage Dated 16/08/1888

[7] "Married". The Morning Chronicle. 5 December 1828. Retrieved 7 July 2021.

[8] ttps://www.findagrave.com/memorial/133736769/edward-bird : accessed 25 June 2021, memorial page for Rev Edward Bird (14 May 1783-14 May 1858), Find a Grave Memorial ID 133736769, St Margaret and All Saints Churchyard, Wyton, Huntingdonshire District, Cambridgeshire, England ; Maintained by GariochGraver

[9] ttps://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGLJ-TPV : 5 February 2020 "India Deaths and Burials, 1719-1948", database, FamilySearch, Emma Bird, 1825

[10] "Married". Jackson's Oxford Journal. 2 February 1833. Retrieved 7 July 2021.

[11] ttps://www.newspapers.com/clip/80235387/hannah-brown-bird-death/ The Times, London, England; 27 Jul 1904, Wed Page 8

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