Talk:Jack Posobiec

Skip to table of contents

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Jack Posobiec article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: 1, 2, 3: 120 days

Warning: active arbitration remedies

The contentious topics procedure applies to this article. This article is related to post-1992 politics of the United States and closely related people, which is a contentious topic. Furthermore, the following rules apply when editing this article:

You must be logged-in, have 10 edits and an account age of 4 days

Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be blocked or restricted by an administrator. Editors are advised to familiarise themselves with the contentious topics procedures before editing this page.

There have been attempts to recruit editors of specific viewpoints to this article. If you've come here in response to such recruitment, please review the relevant Wikipedia policy on recruitment of editors, as well as the neutral point of view policy. Disputes on Wikipedia are resolved by consensus, not by majority vote.

This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.

If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.

Biography

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles

Pennsylvania Low‑importance

	Pennsylvania portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Pennsylvania, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Pennsylvania on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PennsylvaniaWikipedia:WikiProject PennsylvaniaTemplate:WikiProject PennsylvaniaPennsylvania articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

United States

	United States portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions. Template Usage Articles Requested! Become a Member Project Talk Alerts United StatesWikipedia:WikiProject United StatesTemplate:WikiProject United StatesUnited States articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Alternative Views

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Alternative views, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of significant alternative views in every field, from the sciences to the humanities. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion.Alternative ViewsWikipedia:WikiProject Alternative ViewsTemplate:WikiProject Alternative ViewsAlternative Views articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Skepticism Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Skepticism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of science, pseudoscience, pseudohistory and skepticism related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SkepticismWikipedia:WikiProject SkepticismTemplate:WikiProject SkepticismSkepticism articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Internet culture

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Internet culture, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of internet culture on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Internet cultureWikipedia:WikiProject Internet cultureTemplate:WikiProject Internet cultureInternet culture articles

???

This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

WikiProject Internet culture To-do:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Article requests : View all requested internet culture articles
Expand : Pick an article from here or here
Photo : Category:Internet culture articles needing images
Stubs : All stubs are located here
Other : Category:Internet self-classification codes (!?); Try to get YouTube to FA; Tag all articles you find with {{WikiProject Internet culture}}
- See also Category:Internet culture articles needing attention

The following references may be useful when improving this article in the future:

Menn, Joseph. "U.S. steps up pursuit of far-right activists in 2016 voter suppression probe". Reuters. Retrieved 16 December 2023.

Alt-right descriptor

Almost all of the "Alt right" articles are opinion pieces and not any real affiliation, byt by political pundits. The article accuses him of doing the same thing about politicians but is treated as conspiracy

At least try to pretend these are objective sources and not weird hit pieces used by fact checkers to loosely get their points across. Most of these sources claim he's alt right because they literally just pointed at him and said so. Most of the things that are verifiably said by him are normal right wing talking points. 192.182.187.91 (talk) 23:28, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References 3, 4 and 5 are high quality academic sources and 6 and 7 are high quality news sources. These are not opinion pieces. Cullen328 (talk) 23:34, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Plus, Pizzagate is not normal. It is deranged. Cullen328 (talk) 23:35, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I tend to doubt Reagan, the Bushes or even Barry Goldwater would consider what Posobiec says to be "normal right wing talking points," though I am aware fans of Posobiec et al. want to normalize it by gaslighting for lulz. soibangla (talk) 23:40, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

None of these look like opinion pieces to me; and several are high-quality academic sources indicating that this is the main thing he's notable for. It's also something discussed in the body, so it belongs in the lead. --Aquillion (talk) 17:58, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pizzagate is not a normal right wing talking point. Criedley (talk) 09:32, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Possible connection to End Wokeness Twitter account; not sure if it's WP:BLP or WP:V compliant

I am a new editor and I am not super confident adding this myself. I do think, if this alleged connection to the End Wokeness twitter account can be substantiated, it's WP:Notable and ought to be added, just my two cents. LinuxNCats (talk) 13:02, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neither of these sources are WP:RELIABLE --FMSky (talk) 13:27, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that, I am not arguing for immediate inclusion based on one source, that's arguably opiniated and definitely original research, I am saying that we should try to either substantiate or disprove this claim, rather than ignore a reasonably popular YouTube channels claim. I'm not at all saying that his video is an acceptable source for an encylopedia. I am saying we should investigate and find an acceptable source that is WP:V to substantiate or contradict the claim.

LinuxNCats (talk) 13:34, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As a disclosure, I do wish to note, I left a message on Marshmellowasediting's talk page as they tried to make this edit before and were reverted due to WP:V. They may be able to contribute to the discussion as well. I have also informed the reverting user. LinuxNCats (talk) 13:26, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If it can be substantiated I believe it'll be notable, but until then Substack, Twitter and YouTube aren't reliable sources - I know you're not arguing this, just to provide the reason in case the user adding reads the discussion. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 19:22, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there is another source that most everyone else (at least from what I have seen) that has been left out, that I added along with McBeth's video. It is a Twitter thread by Alejandra Caraballo, where she claims to have found a connection between Posobiec and EndWokeness a few months before McBeth released his video.

/this following is my opinion/ In response to @Ser!, I understand that Substack and Twitter and YouTube may not be reliable sources, but I believe that the authors behind their respective posts are at least credible enough. McBeth was a First Sergeant in the US Army, has two Masters, a Bachelors degree, and has developed software used for the military. He also has worked for several intelligence, engineering, and development firms/companies, and still works for a few. Basically his whole career for at least the last couple of years involves intelligence gathering in some sort of way, so I believe his background gives some credibility to the work he has done (in relation to this topic). Meanwhile, Caraballo is an attorney and has been in a legal position for at least the last 10 years, while also possessing a Doctorate, a Masters, and a Bachelors degree. She also is a Clinical Professor at the Harvard Cyberlaw Clinic. I believe that her and McBeth's backgrounds are extensive and accomplished enough to give them enough ground to stand on.

Now yes, both of their posts are more circumstantial in nature, especially McBeth's, and Caraballo explains some of the same points too. But, at least in my eyes, Caraballo's evidence that is not mentioned by McBeth (to which I should add that he did a separate investigation and most people only know about this *because* of McBeth's video, and many still probably don't know about Caraballo's thread in March) points an even closer connection between an alt account of Posobiec and the EndWokeness account. Again, everything here is entirely circumstantial and I don't think we're going to get much more from here unless something big is found, or until Posobiec himself says he runs the account, but I think that there is definitely a connection with the evidence presented by both parties, and I think they can be reliable even though they have posted on platforms that are considered to be unreliable. However, even with everything I've pointed out, I still completely understand if this topic won't be added to his article for lack of enough sources, in-definitive evidence, or whatever it may be. I just thought it'd be worth throwing my two cents in. Marshmellowasediting (talk) 08:52, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Specifically this video cannot be cited per WP:SPS. Gotta wait for reliable sources to cover it Firestar464 (talk) 09:27, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mmm. The allegations themselves seem, frankly, extremely credible to me, but I concur that we can't add it until it gets picked up somewhere that's not self-published. AntiDionysius (talk) 16:50, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seconding the connection to End Wokeness Twitter account, not a clean source but is it not reliable proof?

Title says it all, video/article by Ryan McBeth has a ton of proof that i think matches up. 96.234.153.42 (talk) 04:21, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion, considering that many other Wikipedia articles have similar sections about such allegations, I see no problem with including it here. As long as we make it clear they are theorized and not yet fully substantiated. That being said, McBeth's video is well-argued. NoveosRepublic (talk) 15:43, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]