Talk:James Nathan Calloway

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 15:51, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that James Nathan Calloway, born a slave in Tennessee, established an experimental cotton-growing farm in Togo? "an ex-slave who graduated from Fisk University" from: Ottley, Roi (20 July 1957). "Dr. Calloway Blazes Negro Medical Trail". Chicago Tribune: 19. and "he was in chage of the Tuskegee cotton-raising experimental station in German Togoland in 1900-1901" from: Shavit, David (1989). The United States in Africa – A Historical Dictionary. Westport, Connecticut: Greenwood Press. p. 37. ISBN 0-313-25887-2.
  • ALT1:... that former African American slave James Nathan Calloway used labourers to pull plows on his cotton farm in Togo? "Because the draft animals they had brought along died, the Tuskegee crew used Africans in their place. To the plows, they hitched four African workers, while thirty-six Africans were used to pull the sweeps that turned the cotton ginning machine." from: Lusane, Clarence (2003). Hitler's Black Victims: The Historical Experiences of European Blacks, Africans and African Americans During the Nazi Era. New York: Routledge. p. 47. ISBN 0-203-01810-9.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Walter Cornelius

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 16:28, 6 October 2020 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

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• Interesting:
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QPQ: Done.

Overall: I believe its preferable to use the term 'enslaved person' rather than 'slave' - see here for an outline of the discussion - perhaps the article and the hook could be altered bearing this in mind,or let me know if you think it's otherwise? ALT0 is my preference for a hook. It's a really interesting article - I hadn't heard of the scheme before! Lajmmoore (talk) 15:55, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Lajmmoore, thanks for the review. I have never heard "enslaved person" used before; my preference is for "slave" as otherwise it reads awkwardly (to my British ears at least). I note our article on slavery uses "slave" throughout with only one mention of "enslaved person" when discussing the term directly - Dumelow (talk) 16:02, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Dumelow: - thanks for the reply. Why don't you alter "a slave" to "enslaved" in the hook as a compromise? Although I put a link to one US article, I believe there is widespread discussion on both sides of the Atlantic about the terminology and its meaning for black communities: the National Archives uses enslaved in its educational resources; as does the International Slavery Museum in Liverpool. Thanks for pointing out the wiki article - it seems like the section on terminology could do with some expansion too. (Lajmmoore (talk) 09:16, 12 October 2020 (UTC))

Hi Lajmmoore, this is not my usual area of expertise. I am happy to leave the choice up to the admin promoting this to the main page - Dumelow (talk) 09:26, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Well, let's go for this then @Dumelow::

ALT0b ... that James Nathan Calloway, born enslaved in Tennessee, established an experimental cotton-growing farm in Togo? "an ex-slave who graduated from Fisk University" from: Ottley, Roi (20 July 1957). "Dr. Calloway Blazes Negro Medical Trail". Chicago Tribune: 19. and "he was in chage of the Tuskegee cotton-raising experimental station in German Togoland in 1900-1901" from: Shavit, David (1989). The United States in Africa – A Historical Dictionary. Westport, Connecticut: Greenwood Press. p. 37. ISBN 0-313-25887-2. (Lajmmoore (talk) 09:52, 12 October 2020 (UTC))

• Born enslaved is not the usual terminology; it would be born in slavery. Yoninah (talk) 13:03, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

• You're quite right!

ALT0c ... that James Nathan Calloway, born in slavery in Tennessee, established an experimental cotton-growing farm in Togo? "an ex-slave who graduated from Fisk University" from: Ottley, Roi (20 July 1957). "Dr. Calloway Blazes Negro Medical Trail". Chicago Tribune: 19. and "he was in chage of the Tuskegee cotton-raising experimental station in German Togoland in 1900-1901" from: Shavit, David (1989). The United States in Africa – A Historical Dictionary. Westport, Connecticut: Greenwood Press. p. 37. ISBN 0-313-25887-2. (Lajmmoore (talk) 15:41, 14 October 2020 (UTC))

• Hi, I came by to promote this, but different sources give different birthdates. The npshistory site says 1856. Do you want to note the discrepancies at all? Yoninah (talk) 13:37, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Yoninah. I wrote it as 1865 which is stated in Zimmerman (2012). Professor Reed you changed it to 1860 with this edit but didn't provide a source. I've changed it back to 1865 to reflect the sources cited, but if you have one that says 1860 please provide it so we can note it in the article. Thanks - Dumelow (talk) 15:22, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

• Well, I was responding to the discrepancy in birth years between the article and infobox. But now everything looks fixed. The npshistory source was talking about Booker T. Washington. Restoring tick for offline source per Lajmmoore's review. Yoninah (talk) 15:50, 1 November 2020 (UTC)