Talk:Jerilyn Lee Brandelius

Death

Apparantly Brandelius died on August 31, 2020, but I cannot find any reliable source to support such a claim. Her official website hasn't posted anything about her death yet, and there's nothing about her death (or about her in life for that matter) that I can find in more traditional sources like major newspapers, etc. The only thing I've been able to find so far is a post by the co-admin of Brandelius's Facebook which is almost certainly true, but might be too primary and self-published for this kind of claim. If others want to go with it (for perhaps just the fact that she died and her date of death) and then tag it with {{Better source needed}} or something similar, then that's OK. I've reverted an IP editor twice, and didn't find any RS coverage of this either time. My guess is that the IP editor is someone connected to Brandelius who just means well; so, again the additional is probably true. The IP will probably be back so I thought it would be best to start discussing this to see whether it can be resolved. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:15, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: I was going to revert that if you had not done so. Wikipedia is not news, and we are going to be around for a while, so I see no problem with waiting until it has been published in RS.— Preceding unsigned comment added by ThatMontrealIP (talk • contribs)

That's fine. I've added Template:Recent death presumed even though it might totally apply to cases like this. Perhaps the wording of the template will explain to the IP(s) the reason why the edits they are making keep being undone. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:37, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

From the official Jerry Garcia Facebook Page: "Thank you Jerilyn. For all that you have done in this life. With train engine persistence and a huge heart you made it through everything life threw at you. You helped so many people and beautifully annoyed so many more. I love you and I hope that peace, laughter, love and freedom from pain await you on the other side. Thank you auntie. ❤️#jerilynleebrandelius 🌹. - Annabelle Garcia" giggle (talk) 16:11, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Notability

What are everyone's thoughts notability-wise? I was wondering about his then noticed that Theroadislong had tagged it for notability. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:45, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

It seems rather sad in the circumstances, but notability is surely not established in the article, there may be other sources out there I suppose, I'll do a search. Theroadislong (talk) 15:48, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

I found these [1], [2], [3] The first two are very brief mentions and I’m not sure that the third is reliable? Theroadislong (talk) 15:55, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@Theroadislong: Thanks. PRabook is just Wikipedia republished, as far as I know. The other too do not amount to much. This should probably be AfD'd. When I rewrote the lede I had a lot of trouble figuring out what exactly she did in life, even after searching for new sources. I evenutally settled on author as she had published the (one?) book.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 21:58, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

I didn't find any RS WP:SIGCOV about the subject while looking for a source for her death. She existed and probably did all the things the article claims she did, but i's not clear whether that's enough to make a case for Wikipedia notability. It's unfortunate in many ways, but articles like this often go unnoticed until some unintentionally brings attention to them at a place like the Teahouse or something happens (like the subject dies) that causes a spurt of editing. If there's a way to trim out the unsourced content and generously lean heavily on the side of WP:NEXIST to keep this as at least a stub, then that might be preferable to AfD. Perhaps trying to get relevant WikiProject's involved would be helpful as a kind of WP:BEFORE. Getting more people being involved is generally a good thing in borderline cases like this, and someone else might be able to find some non-online sources about this person that clarify whether she meets WP:GNG or WP:BIO.

The article was created back in 2011 by an editor who only edited for a couple of months and is no longer active. It didn't get vetted at AFC, and excluding bot and other cleanup type edits, it hasn't really been edited much since then up until a few days ago when IPs started adding content about her death. Most of those editing the article over the years may have been connected to her in some way and just wanted to "update" the article. In other words, there doesn't appear to ever have been any real assessment of her Wikipedia notability. So, it might seem a bit cold-hearted to do right now, but WP:LONGTIME has never really been considered a good reason for keeping an article. — Marchjuly (talk) 00:20, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Based on the fact that numerous editors have been unable to find SIGCOV, I started an AfD.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 00:30, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Interested editors are encouraged to contribute to the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jerilyn Lee Brandelius. — Mudwater ^(Talk) 12:03, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

New ref: SF Chronicle obit

https://datebook.sfchronicle.com/music/jerilyn-brandelius-author-and-member-of-the-grateful-dead-family-dies-at-72

"Jerilyn Brandelius, author and member of the Grateful Dead family, dies at 72" by Sam Whiting, September 9, 2020

I'm too close to the family to edit her page; some uninvolved editor, please include this ref. Gnuish (talk) 22:47, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

@Gnuish:  Done Thanks for the link. — Mudwater ^(Talk) 23:14, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Stepmom

Perhaps there's someway to incorporate what written about Brandelius in this NYT obituary for Katie Lee (singer) into the article. It's not really going to help strengthen any claim of notability for Brandelius per WP:INHERIT, but it seems encyclopedically relevant and might lead to further expansion, particularly with respect to the early life section. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:45, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Article name

@Nirva20: Hello. You have renamed this article from "Jerilyn Lee Brandelius" to "Jerilyn Brandelius", with a move summary of "Make shorter (WP:CONCISE, WP:PRECISE)". But I think that per WP:COMMONNAME, the article should be put back the way it was. That is, the subject of this article used the name, and is generally referred to as, Jerilyn Lee Brandelius. And if you look at the article The Grateful Dead Family Album, about a book she wrote, you'll see her name on the book cover as "Jerilyn Lee Brandelius". Often it's better to have a discussion before renaming an article, because other editors may have different perspectives, but, that's okay, let's talk about it now. — Mudwater ^(Talk) 22:42, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

There are several reflinks that refer to her as just Jerilyn Brandelius (including [4], [5], [6], and IMDb) but if you seriously object I'll change it back. Nirva20 (talk) 22:55, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

I do think it'd be better to change it back, so, please feel free to proceed. — Mudwater ^(Talk) 04:19, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! — Mudwater ^(Talk) 09:22, 26 March 2024 (UTC)