Talk:Jessica Ghawi

My Stub for this page has been reverted due to WP:BLP1E but I believe WP:BLP1E does not fit here and she might be an exemption of WP:CRIME So I like to start a Discussion if she should have her own Page or the Content I created should be Merged into 2012 Aurora shooting

Jessica Ghawi is not only known because she is a Victim of the aurora Shooting she also escaped the Toronto Eaton Center shooting in June 2012 she is not unknown to the public her "story" was picked up worldwide among others because her story is some sort one of a kind I started to create the article because Rachel_Scott Victim of the 1999 Columbine shooting has her own Wikipedia Article as well and I believe we have a similar case here as well if you Google for Jessica Ghawi (or redfield) and see how much results you get she is widely known in the media business as far as i can say she was also widely known in the twitter world as an aspiring sportsbroadcaster / blogger

I also like to mention that she became the first Named Victim of the 2012 aurora shooting and the media called her "the face" of the Victims because her story was some sort of "one of a kind"

The suspect James Holmes has his own Article as well to my understanding that would Violate WP:BLP1E too! Fox2k11 (talk) 20:15, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

She didn't exactly "escape" the Eaton Centre. She was just one of hundreds who didn't happen to be shot. So she's far less notable for that than as an actual victim of the Aurora shooting. I don't see anything else that separates her from the rest of the dead. They're all just as notable for the same reason. The weight the news media places on a subject is not an indication of the weight it deserves in an encyclopedia. They are two completely different mediums with different purposes and inclusion criteria. If she was the first named victim, it's understandable how papers (operating on deadlines and "breaking news" mentality) would jump on her story. But it's not like that here. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:19, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

I agree with InedibleHulk. She doesn't need an article. United States Man (talk) 03:41, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Agree, BLP articles should not be based around single events.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 05:47, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Then you guys should read her blog posting about the eaton centner shooting maybe this will convince you http://jessicaredfield.wordpress.com/ plus an actually article here explains more about her http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/adrian_dater/08/03/colorado-batman-massacre-jessica-redfield-memorial/index.html Fox2k11 (talk) 09:16, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

If you want to have her notability assessed, why not revert the redirect and have the article tested at AfD? WWGB (talk) 09:22, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

I also agree with InedibleHulk; an article on this person isn't appropriate. 331dot (talk) 09:33, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

My Suggestion was also if a Stand-alone article is not Possible to merge her more into the Aurora 2012 Shooting Article

but if you think that an article on this person isn't appropriate then it shall be I just gave it a try I noted as much as I can Recall that made it worth it but ok in comparison and to understand it what makes her different from Rachel Scott from the 1999 Columbine Shooting because she has her own Article! ist that not quite the same??? Fox2k11 (talk) 13:06, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Rachel Scott was the inspiration for Rachel's Challenge; the original article here simply noted that this person was at the location of two disparate violent incidents. The former is noteworthy, the latter is not. 331dot (talk) 15:37, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Scott's funeral was also the most-watched event in CNN history at the time. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:05, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Agreed then I ask a Different Question the Suspect for aurora 2012 shooting James Holmes has his own Article so what makes him more Notable then any Victim from that Shooting when I compare both with WP:BLP1E Holmes is also "only" notable for that single Event! so if you commit a Major Crime you get an Article on WP but when you are a Victim of a Major Crime you get an Ass kick??? Fox2k11 (talk) 20:13, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

The victims of the crime are usually mentioned within the article about that crime, as they are in this case. That doesn't allow their entire life story to be posted in an article, though. 331dot (talk) 20:17, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

I see this discussion is Getting nowhere so I Accept that a page for her or any other Victim of this shooting is not Welcome on Wikipedia?! Rather giving the suspect a platform by creating a stand-alone full article and not just a mention on the Shootings article but on a sidenote someone on wikipedia found her notable enough to redirect Jessica Redfield & jessica Ghawi to the Aurora 2012 Shooting Article but not for the other victims and get away with it! also I just Learned today that the Metro State University (Jessicas School) is awarding Jessica an honorary Bachelor's degree this December! Source: https://twitter.com/JRGFoundation/status/232589690644094977 so her parents just need to make her a topic of a book and she might become wikipedia-worthy?! Fox2k11 (talk) 16:37, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

If you have an issue with the article on the suspect, then take it up there. If you want to create redirects for the other deceased victims' names, then go ahead, no one is preventing you from doing so. This person being awarded a degree as a result of the shooting would be relevant on the article about the incident. 331dot (talk) 17:01, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

If i would put my issues there on the talk page that would not get the page removed or would change anything IMHO i was just pointing it out about the Degree Awarded to Jessica Ghawi she gets it Indeed because of the shooting she was a student there before the shooting! Fox2k11 (talk) 22:45, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

here is the original Tweet from the University! https://twitter.com/Choose_Metro/statuses/232822816150532096 Fox2k11 (talk) 23:55, 7 August 2012 (UTC)