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Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk16:26, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Anupam (talk). Self-nominated at 21:18, 3 December 2020 (UTC).[reply]

  • New enough, long enough, neutrally written, adequately referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. It meets start-class criteria for DYK, but I don't get any feeling about his anthropology work, as the emphasis is on his academic career at Catholic University. Your Encyclopedia Britannica source says much more about his views about Indians, as well as his writing and journal editing, which you don't mention in the article. I have added a "when?" tag to one sentence.
  • The hook is not very hooky. If you take off the string of adjectives in the front, all you're left with is "Did you know that X=Y?" I think if you add more detail from the source you will have more detail with which to craft a better hook. QPQ done. Yoninah (talk) 00:09, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Dear User:Yoninah, I have expanded the article per your suggestions, addressed the tag, and created an alternative hook. I trust that this is helpful and will result in the approval of this DYK. Kind regards, AnupamTalk 00:39, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Anupam: I moved around the presentation so it follows more logically instead of having his teaching and anthropological fieldwork all jumbled up. I also added more from the source. Here is an alt suggestion:
  • ALT2: ... that John Montgomery Cooper advanced the theory that both South American and North American Indians were "marginal peoples" who were cultural relics from prehistoric times? Yoninah (talk) 22:06, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Dear User:Yoninah, thank you for your reply. I appreciate you rearranging things. I am fine with the proposed hook if you are. I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 22:10, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Misrepresentation of source

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The article states "Cooper developed the theory that both the South American and North American Indians were "marginal peoples" who were cultural relics from prehistoric times". But the source doesn't mention any theory, let alone its development. It says "He viewed these peoples as having been pushed back into less desirable territories by later migrations and as representing cultural survivals from prehistoric times.". That's just how he viewed things, it's not a theory. Maproom (talk) 08:36, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]