Talk:Kamandalu

Kamandalu

I am happy to see that you have already written an article on Kamandalu. In Sanskrit and in most of Indian languages it is prnounced as just Kamandal. Can you change the name of the s artcile to Kamandal. In fact, I was about to post an article on the same subject. Since you have already done it, I will add some text material which I have collected to expand this article.--Nvvchar (talk) 07:29, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Kamandalu is the correct way, it is pronounced in Sanskrit. see Monier Williams Sanskrit-English Dictionary (2008 revision). Kamandal is definitely not Sanskrit.

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--Redtigerxyz (talk) 09:45, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. In the wiki article on Durga it is mentioned that "Each god also gave her their own most powerful weapons, Rudra's trident, Vishnu's discus, Indra's thunderbolt, Brahma's kamandal, Kuber's gada, etc." This then needs to be corrected. In most of South India it is pronunced as Kamandal or Kamandalam.--Nvvchar (talk) 11:10, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Kamandal is not wrong, it just isn't Sanskrit. Have redirected Kamandal here. It may be Hindi, Kamandalam amy be Tamil, but it is Not Sanskrit.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 11:49, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

All the text material I have and which I wanted to post are as "Kamandal" (from the Hindi belt or Karnataka region) or Kamandalam (from the Tamil belt). How do I introduce it or add it to the wiki article so that it is not considered as an act of blatant intrusion and deleted?--Nvvchar (talk) 14:58, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Add it here with references, in appropriate sections. kamandalu and kamandal is the same thing right? --Redtigerxyz (talk) 16:37, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Addtional text on Kamandal

Hi! Redtigerxyz, Here is the text on Kamandal, which I was preparing (but did not complete after reading your article).My approach has been to make articles as comprehensive as possible. You may like to prune them and use some of the material in the following text (which is duly referenced) to the extent you consider suitable for your article on Kamandalu. I have no issues since search for Kamandal directs to your article. I have not put the reflist and also not wikified with internal links etc., since you may incorporate only what you consider useful--Nvvchar (talk) 05:54, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Kamandal

Kamandal is a symbol of a Sadhu or an ascetic, as much as his saffron robes. This small vessel is also made from wood of Kamaadalataru tree or from clay. The water filled Kamandal, which is invariably carried by Sanyasis, is stated to represent a simple and self-contained life. [1].

Legend

Vamana avatar

Several mythological stories refer to Kamandal. The best known and read one is the reference to the Vamana avatar, in which Lord Vishnu, requests King Mahabali for three feet of land. The donation of the land is sanctified through pouring water through a Kamandal. When Sukran tried to prevent flow of water from the Kamandal by blocking the spout of the Kamandal, Mahabali pierced the spout with a stick, which blinded Lord Sukran.[2].

Matsya avatar

In the story of Matsyaavatar narrated in the Bhagavat Purana, king Satyavarta after initially putting the fish which he found in the river into his Kamandal, to protect it from the big fish, witnessed that the fish kept growing in size and was therefore moved from the Kamandal to ponds of larger sizes and finally to the sea. There again the fish told the King that big fish would still eat him. Then the King realized that fish was the form of Sri Hari. Thus, the story of Matsyaavatar as narrated in the Bhagavat Purana unfolds.[3].

Shanakaracharya’s ashtotaram (hymn)

In Shankaracharaya’s ashtotaram, in verse 19, the Sanskrit sloka states:< ref name = “Shankara”/>:

ज्ञानत्मकैकदण्डाढ्यः कमण्डलुलसत्करः | गुरुभूमण्डलाचार्योभगवत्पादसंज्ञकः || १९|| In the above verse, the words ९०) ॐ कमण्डलुलसत्कराय नमः mean “I bow to shri Shankara whose hand is adorned with Kamandalam”

Mythical Links to sources of rivers and springs

Ganga

One of the stories narrated on the origin of the Ganga river is linked to Kamandal. During Vaman Avatar when the foot of Avatar reached heaven, Brahma, washed the big toe of the foot of the Vaman avatar of god and collected the water in his Kamandal. The name tag of Vishnu padi given to Ganga is stated to be a result of this episode.[4]

Narmada River

At Amarkantak, the source of the Narmada river in Madhya Pradesh, an ancient kamandal (also called a water pitcher) which is always filled with water, is called the Brighu Kamandal.[5].

Kaveri river

A mythical story narrated by Sri U.Ve. Velukudi Krishnan in his lecture delivered at Kamban ( writer of Kamba Ramayan in Tamil) Sannidhi (Shrine) in Tamilnadu, on Srimad Bhagawat Geeta (translated from his televised address) related to the Kaveri river states[6]:

Agasthya proposed to marry Kaveri, but she refused and so he was angered and packed her in his kamandalam [water pot]. Because the river was packed, there was famine, and unbearable of this, Kaveri came out of the kamandalam, and started flowing. The sage was further angered and he cursed that whichever place the river touched should go dry. To nullify that curse, Kaveri came to this place and after a bath in Darsha Pushkarini, meditated sitting near the Lord, here. The Lord blessed her and the curse was nullified. Thus we can see Mother Kaveri, is seated in the garbha gruha, near the Lord.

Another story attributed to Agasthya Rishi is that he confined the Kaveri river in his Kamandal, which act angered Lord Ganesh. Ganesh then appeared in the form of a crow and pushed the Kamandal down which resulted in the formation of the Kaveri river.[7].

Silambu river

The Silambu river in Tamilnadu, emanating from the spring called Noopura Gangai, the waters of which are considered as holy as the Ganges, is said to have been created from the drops of water which fell out of Vishnu’s feet when Lord Brahma washed Vishnu's feet by pouring water from his kamandal, during his `trivikram avatar.'[8] Deep in the Woods

Springs in Kashmir

In the Sarada legends of Kashmir (based on oral tradition) narrated by Dr Romesh Kumar, it is said that when Ravana was engaged in a war with Rama, Goddess Durga advised Ram to take her to Uttararkhand away from the war scene, and thus Parvati was carried by Hanuman in the form of water in a Kamandal to be dropped wherever Parvati desired to be dropped. Wherever, Hanuman rested on his way to Utarakhand, drops of water which fell out of the Kamandal to the ground formed the springs Masanag at Gushi and the Devibal spring at Tikr in Kashmir where the Kamandal was kept in a near by hillock where Parvati rested where as a Sarda shrine exists.[9]

Poetry

Kamandal, a collection of poems written by Jaswant Deed has religious connotation. Inspired by Guru Nanak Dev, the poems bring out the yearning of the poet for deliverance as is evident from the following.

Haath kamandal kapdiya, man trishna upaji bhai", Baba Nanak’s words sparkle in the title, Kamandal and a few religious poems—Bhakti, Gajadhari, Kutiya and Tere Dar Pe. It’s in this sense the book has a religious tinge. [10]

Just put it in the article, i have no objection if corresponds to wiki-policies.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 12:10, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Doing it myself. Please add references.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 13:43, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I have given the reference from where I have taken the text. It is a translation of Shankaracharya's ashttoram. I have not been able to find the botanical name of the tree. I am still searching the web and some books on botony and if I find even the commonly known name of the tree and its botanical name, I will post it on the talk page. The Shankaracharya's ashttoram in Sanskrit tallies with the name you have adopted for the article. You may therfore consider quoting this sloke, as given above.--Nvvchar (talk) 15:11, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

This being the English wiki, Sanskrit slokas may confuse Sanskrit illiterates. Thus didn't add that. Added all info here. Please add references.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 12:10, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

I suppose you are right. I have added all the references this afternoon. Do you have any idea what the Kamaadalataru tree is.? Is it Kamal tree? I have to ask some one who knows Tamil.There was another interesting article on the web stating that jains are ecofreindly that is why they use wooden Kamanadalu.--Nvvchar (talk) 12:39, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

I added some more lines from here, that i couldn't add yesterday. Add ref for them.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 12:55, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

References added. Thanks for incorporating my text.--Nvvchar (talk) 08:31, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

You could have added them yourself, there is no need of taking anybody's permission. No one owns an article.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 11:30, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Sarasvati mythical?

The mythical Sarasvati river?

I think you will find that this river existed. Prove me wrong. Stjohn1970 (talk) 13:18, 23 August 2022 (UTC)