Talk:Korg PS-3300

July 2008

The pictures on this article are amazing! and also the article itself. IMO it should be nominated for featured article. Equinoxe 14:05, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Jenuary 2011

Kraftwerk used the rackmounted PS-3100 in their set, not the 3300. Even the official gearlist of Karl Bartos doesn't have this model. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.223.96.178 (talk) 00:44, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your willingness to contribute, unfortunately you've got your facts wrong, they used both the PS-3100 and the PS-3300, it is documented in many places and articles that Karl Bartos and Kraftwerk used a Korg PS-3300 and even had a custom keyboard made for it, here... http://www.aktivitaet-fanzine.com/10_kk0.html It also appears in this gear list http://kraftwerkfaq.com/equipment.html Furthermore, the Korg PS-3100 is not a rackmounted synthesizer, it's a full size keyboard synthesizer. Mojosynths (talk) 18:25, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

May 2013

I recommend to study the numerous photographs of Kraftwerk's Kling Klang Studio taken during the 1981 tour. You'll see the PS-3100 mounted into a custom rack made of two standard 19-inch ones, and the keyboard is not custom-build - it was removed away from the unit and cosmetically updated with metal plates and LEDs, the layout of 48 keys with a single wheel was unchanged. The interview of Ralf Hutter for the UK's 'E&MM' is the only article with PS-3300 mentioned by the band member who is famous for contradicting the reality too often. Also this interview appeared decades before the hundreds of actual concert photos emerged from fans into the Internet, including the ones from the UK shows. Your two links, as well as many other secondary sources, are citing this UK article which originally contains a piece of blackness instead of some good-quality photo evidence of racks and keyboards. http://www.technopop-archive.com/images/images/magazines/maxi/mag_385.jpg http://www.technopop-archive.com/images/images/magazines/maxi/mag_386.jpg

Also Bartos never told about PS-3300 or PS-3200 in any of interviews. When his forum was still alive in 2000's Karl posted his ultimate lengthy gear list, including the CD burners, MIDI-cards and old beatboxes. The only listed Korgs were MS-20 and PS-3100. All this 3300-story is a result of lying Ralf and lack of photographs in the 80-90's.

Btw, you will not find the PS-3300 in Jarre's China concerts and the Oxygene anniversary tour, if you take a proper look at the available photos and videos of these two events. Since 2007 onwards Francis Rimbert has a PS-3200 on the left, and the only polyphonic keyboards from the 1981 shows were OBX-A, Prophet-5, Korg Polyphonic Ensemble, CS-60, Fairlight, two Eminents and an Elka organ.89.223.104.110 (talk) 13:09, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I'm Wally Cescato. Totally agreed! The Kraftwerk's PS-3300 is just a myth originated from that Ralf Hutter interview. A misstyping? A missunderstanding? A lie? Who knows... What we do know is that the Korg semi modular synth used by the band during their 1981 shows is a 'racked' Korg PS-3100, it can be spot behind Karl Bartos in many photographs and even in the official video made for 'The Model' single reissue. Karl Bartos explains in his book 'The Sound of the Machine' that he bought the Korg PS-3100 when the band started the writing sessions for the 'Computer World' album. 2803:9800:98C6:7647:1124:C50E:DEB8:5406 (talk) 16:33, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Original Research

This article has quite a bit of original research and badly sourced content that should be removed. For instance;

• content about Keith Emerson that is either sourced to a non reliable source (a fansite) or involves interpretation of what can be heard on random youtube videos.
• content about resonators supported only by reference to Vangelis, which in turn is sourced again to youtube videos, or a source that barely mentions the PS-3300 and says nothing about resonators.
• An unsourced section about the audio mixer
• Discussion about its use on the album Magic Fly, sourced only to youtube videos.

Sourcing only to youtube videos of music does not verify this content. How does the reader know that what they are hearing has anything to do with the Korg PS-3300, other than the unsupported claim on the article? This is interpretation of a primary source, which is not acceptable on Wikipedia. Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 07:37, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

There is some earlier discussion at User talk:Mojosynths - which Mojosynths has ignored. If they persist in reverting multiple edits without discussion, there and/or here, a block may be required. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:36, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

It would seem that @Mojosynths:' justification for the original research in the article is "the community" contributed it and like it. I don't know who "the community" are, but Wikipedia isn't the place to collate and publish their research. This is an encyclopedia article, not a fan forum. I'd also ask them again to discuss the article here, and not in edit summaries. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 22:17, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Also worth pointing out that the "price" field in the infobox is being misused. The template says this field is for the original price. Its purpose is not to become some kind of price comparison list for secondhand sales. Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 07:39, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

@Mojosynths:, I've removed the tag you placed on the article for the simple reason that there is no point to tagging an article as being factually inaccurate, if you simply will not say where it is factually inaccurate. Are people to guess where the problems are?

In reply to what you say in your edit summary, since you continue to decline to discuss anything here, the proper place for it;

• "I have just learnt how Wikipedia works" - Yes, through collaboration and following of policy.
• "they would rather have a page with factual errors than one with "non-policy-compliant content" - It's not an either/or. We can have both compliant and factually accurate. Why don't you assist in achieving this?
• "By the way Wikipedia has no firm rules, only guidelines, everyone involved here knows that" - See here for a list of Wikipedia policies, which are very much "rules". The particular policies you could read are those relating to original content, particularly where it discusses interpretation of primary sources .

It's a great pity you will not engage in improving this encyclopeadia article, as you obviously have a great understand of the subject. Is there anything that could be said or done to help resolve this impasse? --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 11:56, 29 April 2024 (UTC)