Talk:Label (heraldry)

labels, files, points

In Royal Labels of the United Kingdom, an editor recently changed "a label of three points (which has also been termed a file with three labels)" to "(which has also been termed a label with three files)" — my emphasis. I've heard of file as a synonym for label — Woodward, I think, cites a canting coat for Belfile: a label with a bell hanging on each point — but not file as a synonym for point or pendant. Can someone enlighten me? —Tamfang (talk) 19:27, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Woodward & Burnett, page 420: "In the early Lyon Register Sir JOHN HAY, heir-presumptive to the Earldom of ERROLL (to which he afterwards succeeded)[,] records his arms with a 'file of three lambeaux' in chief for difference." —Tamfang (talk) 07:03, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

And can someone dig out Woodward & Burnett, A Treatise on Heraldry British and Foreign, and confirm my memory that it mentions at least one label in canting arms? —Tamfang (talk) 22:54, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Belfile is on page 189. —Tamfang (talk) 06:09, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

lambel

The title of this article is simply wrong. It should be LAMBEL (see the definition of this in the OED), not "label". I discovered this when I looked up the word "barensteel" in Dutch (I translate from Dutch to English), and found this heraldic term defined in English as a "lambel". So someone has omitted the "m" -- making a nonsense of this whole article and countless related articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.82.79.24 (talk) 10:35, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry (from author of above comment), I just saw that "label" is in fact an English translation of the French "lambel", but the OED gives "lambel" in Italics as acceptable usage, so perhaps this should be mentioned in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.82.79.24 (talk) 10:45, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for amending yourself so quickly. ;) I'll look for a graceful way to add lambel to the article. —Tamfang (talk) 22:14, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

quotation from Fox-Davies

According to some sources, the elder son of an elder son places a label upon a label. However, A. C. Fox-Davies states that in the case of the heir-apparent of the heir-apparent "one label of five points is used, and to place a label upon a label is not correct when both are marks of cadency, and not charges".

Hairy Dude moved the closing stop outside the quotation (WP:LQ). I think it likely that the sentence ends there in the source, and so the stop ought to be inside. But I can't find it in The Art of Heraldry (the only work by Fox-Davies that I have). Can someone cite the source, and confirm the punctuation? —Tamfang (talk) 17:58, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's a trivial point, but: the full stop after a sentence fragment should be outside the quotation marks. It only goes inside if it's a split quotation or full sentence, which (judging from the first letter being lower case) it isn't. That doesn't change the fact that it needs a citation, of course. Hairy Dude (talk) 20:38, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I'll just say now that I find that rule VERY WEIRD. —Tamfang (talk) 04:04, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]