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Orphaned references in Labour Party leadership of Jeremy Corbyn

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Expanding lede

I was hoping to do this a couple of weeks ago, but the real world seems to keep getting in the way at the moment and preventing me from taking on any big projects. I have now, however, earmarked Tuesday 11 October as the day to expand the lede of this article. There's a couple of other things that need to be added too, not least the most recent shadow cabinet reshuffle. This is Paul (talk) 18:13, 9 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

ok, it's done as promised. It probably needs a bit of consolidating, but hopefully it covers the main points. This is Paul (talk) 16:54, 11 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Needs updating again

To take into account the recent general election. I hope to do it some time this week, but please feel free to jump in at any time and add anything you feel is missing. This is Paul (talk) 12:27, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Celebrity endorsements

Do we seriously need a long list of celebrity endorsements in this article? Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 21:05, 13 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No, and not just because I haven't heard of half of them either. :) Paragraphs like this are merely filler, and seem completely unnecessary. This is Paul (talk) 21:15, 13 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Lack of balance

I’ve updated the article to have some more balance just now. It’s far too one-sided otherwise, and fails to mention any of his difficulties as leader. No reference to antisemitism reads like a whitewash. TrottieTrue (talk) 01:04, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There is a note at the top of the article that it is not regularly updated, so perhaps simply lack of effort rather than a whitewash. You are welcome to add material but, to have balance, each section should be balanced, covering the entire period of his leadership if it is not a chronological section, and giving the various viewpoints. Jontel (talk) 07:59, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I now notice the message saying it needed updating in 2017. It has been updated since then, but the post-2017 period seemed to exclude any negatives prior to my last edits. What I wrote only skims the surface of events since 2017. — TrottieTrue (talk) 20:15, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lead too long

According to MOS:LEAD, the lead should be a concise overview. I think this could do with trimming. Jontel (talk) 09:20, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Labour Party leadership of Jeremy Corbyn

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I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 10:47, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Economist

According to The Economist, "Mr Corbyn has been the party's most disastrous leader ever—not just useless like George Lansbury and Michael Foot, who led the party to electoral disaster in 1935 and 1983 respectively, but positively malign."^[1]

I'm not sure how to incorporate this information. Perhaps there should be a section for general perspectives or legacy or something like that. Of course this is just one perspective. Benjamin (talk) 06:31, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, publications do tend to provide an overview of past leaders, particularly when they leave office or after they die. However, I have had a look at the articles of other past UK political party leaders and have not seen such a section. As you indicate: one issue is that many publications and prominent people will have views on Corbyn: how do you choose which to include: one could go on for ever. Also, it is just an opinion, rather than a fact. Wikipedia seeks to be objective and including general opinions makes that harder. Perhaps it is better just to include definite events and the subject's statements, and let them speak for themselves. Jontel (talk) 09:41, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. Especially in politics, reliably sourced opinions, given due weight, are quite appropriate. There is plenty of reliably sourced praise and criticism, and we would remiss to include none. Benjamin (talk) 10:36, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

However as it stands the criticism and praise segment seems to me somewhat one-sided, seeing as the only thing I would consider praise is the single sentence second from the beginning. Also, the handling of antisemitism section seems to be less about the critical response and more about the handling itself. Ambidextroid (talk) 07:34, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ The Economist, April 4th 2020, page 46.

According to The Economist...

Given that there are a wide range of opinions about Jeremy Corbyn, why quote this shameful attack by The Economist? For is not using this comment helping to push the on-going right-wing smears against the left-wing of the Labour Party? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.69.169.26 (talk) 19:08, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree it's not due. BobFromBrockley (talk) 08:02, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] The Economist, April 4th 2020, page 46.

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