Talk:Leeds Blitz

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Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
September 21, 2013	Peer review	Reviewed
November 1, 2013	Good article nominee	Not listed

Current status: Former good article nominee

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Referencing and citation: criterion not met Coverage and accuracy: criterion not met Structure: criterion met Grammar and style: criterion met Supporting materials: criterion met

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Anti aircraft batteries in Leeds (locations)

I am putting this list here as a reference for future work. Feel free to find other examples.

Adel [1] [2]

Cross Green [3] [4]

Otley Chevin [5]

General [6]

Carlton / Otley [7]

Thorp Arch [8]

Mtaylor848 (talk) 11:36, 30 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Citation format

When I get time I am going to use this as the main format for web citations (of which I think all used are), any alternative suggestions? <ref>{{cite web | title =example| publisher = example | url =example }}</ref>

Mtaylor848 (talk) 11:42, 30 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You also need |date= and |accessdate= Keith D (talk) 19:39, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I shall do that. Mtaylor848 (talk) 12:35, 8 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Leeds Blitz/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Eric Corbett (talk · contribs) 20:14, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

The lead is to short to adequately summarise the article.

We're told that the Leeds Blitz comprised nine air raids, but only one is described, that of 14-15 March 1941.

14–15 March raid

Isn't that actually two air raids, one on the 14th and one on the 15th? Or was the bombing continuous throughout the night of 14/15 March, which is what calling it one raid implies.

"Incendiary bombs were first dropped onto the city on the Friday night, while high explosive bombs were dropped on the Saturday." Why "first"? And "while" implies simultaneity, which is contradicted by that "first" anyway.

"... the frequent raids on Hull were often referred to as a raid on a "North East Coastal Town". Not sure what the relevance of raids on Hull is, but surely "frequent raids" can't be referred to as "a raid".

Fighter and ground defence

"There were many RAF airfields to the east of the city in the Vale of York, while most were home to bomber command units, RAF Church Fenton was the base of a fighter squadron." Were any of the fighters at RAF Church Fenton scrambled to engage the bombers over Leeds?

Cultural losses

"Curator Herbet Ricketts described salvaging artefacts after the bombing as having "a dig in our own museum". You've got a quotation there, but the link is to a Google map that doesn't mention it. Was his name really "Herbet" as opposed to the more likely "Herbert"?

"Other historic buildings were superficially damaged. At certain sites such as the town hall, shrapnel damage is still evident." You can't use a Flickr picture as a reliable source. How do we know that's shrapnel damage? Looks more like machine-gun damage to me.

Response

Thanks for the GA review, I shall ammend the page according to your recommendations.

Lead

I shall try to develop the lead further

The only raid there appears to be details on is the 14th-15th raid, I shall try to find information on other raids.

14–15 March raid

As far as I believe this is one continuous raid that spanned both nights, I shall verify this and make it explicitly clear in the text.

"Incendiary bombs were first dropped onto the city on the Friday night, while high explosive bombs were dropped on the Saturday." This was normal bombing protocol, I shall review the wording. (done)

"... the frequent raids on Hull were often referred to as a raid on a "North East Coastal Town". I put this in to illustrate comparitively the nature of press reporting with regards to these raids using a nearby yet better known example. I shall alter the wording to make it clearer. (done)

Fighter and ground defence

"There were many RAF airfields to the east of the city in the Vale of York, while most were home to bomber command units, RAF Church Fenton was the base of a fighter squadron." Unfortunately I can find no records of fighters being scrambled to intercept, I would imagine it to be the case however I can find no mention of it.

Cultural losses

"Curator Herbet Ricketts described salvaging artefacts after the bombing as having "a dig in our own museum". I shall look over this (done)

"Other historic buildings were superficially damaged. At certain sites such as the town hall, shrapnel damage is still evident." I shall try to find a better source for this, if not I shall remove it.

Thank you one again,

Mtaylor848 (talk) 12:10, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If the Leeds Blitz comprised nine air raids then the article can't be considered to meet GA criterion 3a by covering only one of them. Consequently I'm closing this review as "not listed". Eric Corbett 14:55, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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