Talk:Ligue nationale d'improvisation

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The result of the move request was Done. — Aitias // discussion 01:01, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

LNI → Ligue nationale d'improvisation — In Wikipedia, we must introduce articles with its complete name, not its acronym. — Jimmy Lavoie^talk 03:17, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Support. It should use the complete name in the title. DoubleBlue (talk) 14:44, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not necessarily. If it's known better by the acronym, we use that - see NASA, BBC, FIFA, NATO... I oppose pending more convincing argument, Knepflerle (talk) 17:08, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Requester. Here, we're talking about a league. See: National Hockey League (NHL), American Hockey League (AHL), American Football League (AFL), National Football League (NFL), United Football League (UFL), Canadian Football League (CFL), Quebec Junior Football League (QJFL), National Basketball Association (NBA)... Also, the French-language article is named Ligue nationale d'improvisation. Sincerely, Jimmy Lavoie^talk
Support. As per all that was said by other supporters of the move. -- Mathieugp (talk) 19:56, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support ~~but~~; this topic is not sufficiently well-known to qualify for the exceptions in MOS:ABBR; the general case should be followed and the name spelled out in full. Shouldn't the name be capitalised as a proper noun however and the title be Ligue Nationale d'Improvisation? --Rogerb67 (talk) 14:54, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, this is an English rule for the names. In French, the letters of the names are not capitalized. The most common example is : Ligue nationale de hockey (for NHL). Sincerely, Jimmy Lavoie^talk 22:45, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why have we gone small? Anyway, it was capitalised like that in the title and text of this French language page, which is why I thought it might be the correct way --Rogerb67 (talk) 02:48, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's a typography error for the title. But in the history text, it's not capitalized [1]. They seem to use both of typography rules on the website. Anyway, the correct typography should be "Ligue nationale d'improvisation". Their website would need a little clean up in my opinion. Anyway, I still believe it should not be capitalized. ;-) Sincerely, Jimmy Lavoie^talk 02:33, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I happened to note today that Wikipedia:Manual of Style (France & French-related) says: "Capitalization of French expressions and titles is currently highly chaotic". Clearly. Anyway I have no problem with the capitalisation provided it follows some accepted method of capitalisation in French (I will accept your assertion it does). --Rogerb67 (talk) 23:49, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Any additional comments:

I note that the TCE article is at "Ligue nationale d'improvisation", the page title of http://www.lni.ca/ is "LNI - Ligue Nationale d'Improvisation", the Canadian Theatre Encyclopedia lists it as "Ligue Nationale d’Improvisation", Tourisme Quebec lists it as "Ligue Nationale d'Improvisation (LNI)", and a federal grant went to "Le Théâtre de la Ligue Nationale d'improvisation (LNI)". DoubleBlue (talk) 17:41, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
And see all these other uses of the acronym LNI: http://www.acronymfinder.com/LNI.html http://www.acronymattic.com/LNI.html . Anthony Appleyard (talk) 07:17, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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