Talk:List of John McCain 2008 presidential campaign endorsements

Is this important?

Is this important? Looks like a phone directory. I would expect almost every Republican to endorse John McCain. DianeFinn (talk) 17:07, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

List of Barack Obama presidential campaign endorsements is even longer... Happyme22 (talk) 17:20, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Back when this was in the campaign article, I argued that it should only include Republican officials during the time the race was competitive. After that, as you say, endorsements are pro-forma. Significant subsequent endorsements should focus on independents, Democrats, and non-politicians. Wasted Time R (talk) 12:59, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

The Boston Globe is listed, but only endorsed McCain for GOP nominee, not for president. The same is probably also true for some other listed endorsers.Ferrylodge (talk) 18:54, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Good point. The New York Times did so too, and is highly unlikely to endorse McCain in November. Wasted Time R (talk) 19:39, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't see the point of either this page or the list of Obama endorsements, other than as a pissing contest. I also find it interesting that al-Qaeda's endorsement of McCain is curiously absent. But in either case, I think notable endorsements go on the campaign's main page; theres no need for an exhaustive list. Does anyone think this should not be AfD'd? csloat (talk) 23:06, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

These pages are for endorsements that the candidates solicit or appreciate, not so-called endorsements from nutjobs, crooks, terrorists, etc. (every candidate gets some of those too, and it tells you nothing about the candidate). There's no point comparing the two lists; elections are not won by the candidate with the most. I don't think these articles are very valuable, but on the other hand they don't cause any harm, so I would not take them to AfD. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:12, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Then change the name to List of John McCain presidential campaign endorsements actually solicited by John McCain, otherwise the article misrepresents its content. I do think these articles cause "harm" in the sense that they violate Wikipedia policies. I'll include the al-Qaeda endorsement for now, but if there are no objections I think we should AfD it. csloat (talk) 20:34, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

WP:COMMON applies to the meaning of the word here. Just as it does to the frequent claims of Hamas "endorsing" Obama. As for AfD, you gotta do what you gotta do. Wasted Time R (talk) 23:21, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

And common sense dictates that a list of presidential endorsements is just that; not a list of presidential endorsements that a particular person happens to like. Also, please don't use anonymous IPs to do your reverting; it could be considered a violation of the sockpuppetry rules. Thanks. csloat (talk) 00:03, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I didn't do that reversion, someone else did. Surely you realize other people will find this addition wrong-headed too – even if you have the majority view here, there will be a significant minority that disagrees. I haven't touched this article since the primaries, because I believe its fundamental structure is incorrect, per Talk comments I've made here previously. I've made 40,000 edits on this bloody project, I stand behind what I do. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:10, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

My apologies. I'm seeing sockpuppets on other pages and got them confused with you here because they're making the same arguments. I've restored the material to the page since it is an endorsement and it has been widely commented on in the media and by the mccain campaign itself. It seems silly that people want to delete it when it is so widely acknowledged in the mainstream media. csloat (talk) 23:52, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Brooks and Dunn?

They endorsed Bush both in 2000 and 2004, can anyone confirm one way or the other if they're also backing McCain? I'd bet they are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.81.214.73 (talk) 02:23, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Burt Bacharach?

He teamed up with Dr. Dre a couple of years ago to write some songs attacking the Iraq War, Bush and politicians in general, so I seriously doubt if he is supporting McCain. --81.76.44.70 (talk) 12:54, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

There's a proper reference there from an article in The Guardian, which means the information is verifiable by a trusted source and meets the Wikipedia standard. "Dubious" tags are only for statements that (1) contain unlikely information, without providing references, (2) contain information that is difficult to verify, or (3) are the work of a user known to write inaccurately on the topic. The standard, as always, is verifiability, not simply whether you personally find something incongruous, surprising, or unexpected.-PassionoftheDamon (talk) 04:41, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Given his contribution record and his recent donation to Al Franken's Senate campaign,[1] it is highly unlikely that he would be supporting McCain. This Guardian writer appears to be the only one making this claim. --84.70.170.68 (talk) 13:49, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Once again, that's conjecture/speculation/OR on your part. Verifiability is the standard.-PassionoftheDamon (talk) 11:00, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Re-tagged. That is not a credible claim, he's an anti-war Democrat. --84.70.52.99 (talk) 01:33, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and Barack Obama is on his Myspace friends list. [2] --84.70.52.99 (talk) 01:53, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Restored. Bachrach's support of McCain is verifiable, which is the standard here at Wikipedia. Stop blanking.-PassionoftheDamon (talk) 22:31, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

See this ref http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/oct/18/1 "I want Obama to win so badly." 88.105.166.70 (talk) 12:32, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Bot report : Found duplicate references !

In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)

• "supports list" :
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DumZiBoT (talk) 15:47, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

List of Military Endorsements

None of these are sourced. Pretty bad compared to the obama page Obama_endorsements#Military. Also, should there be some normailzation of how the ranks are included in the lists? McCain's list is orderly with the rank (usually) the first word in the line, whereas the Obama version is freestyle. Island Dave (talk) 01:39, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

They had been sourced, but somewhere in the shuffle of edits the cite appears to have been lost. I'll see if I can restore it.-PassionoftheDamon (talk) 11:03, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

On further investigation, it appears that you were the one who deleted the cite for the military endorsements. Granted, the link to the page on the McCain site had become broken, but rather than delete the cite and slap a bunch of "unsourced" tags on each endorsement, you should have searched for an active link. I found an active link to the press release and have restored the cite.-PassionoftheDamon (talk) 11:19, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Main citation of Endorsements

Many of the endorsements cite [1], which is a link that offers a blank page at the JohnMcCain.com site. The article warning states these endorsements should be removed without proper sourcing. Island Dave (talk) 19:05, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Primary vs General Endorsements

Many of the newspaper endorsements were made for the Primaries (Boston Globe, for example, endorsed McCain for the Republican nomination, but since primary season is over, this list implies that the Globe has endorsed McCain for the general election, which is not true, nor likely, same with New York Times and many others). Island Dave (talk) 19:08, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Rejected Endorsements

I'm pretty sure we should list Hagee and Parsley in a separate section; I seem to remember that John McCain disowned both of those guys after their offensive comments came to light (although he initially accepted their endorsements). It would be sort of like listing Jeremiah Wright on Barack Obama's endorsement page without mentioning that Obama eventually disowned Wright. Stonemason89 (talk) 19:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

trump endorsement citation

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/personal/09/18/lkl.donald.trump/index.html

someone else can edit the page, i dont know how to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.3.11.89 (talk) 18:10, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Primary endorsments should be separated from general election endorsments

nt. Hobartimus (talk) 22:09, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, we all agree, but no one has gone through and sorted them out. Worse, everything is under the top-level section "Primary campaign endorsements", which is incorrect for a large number of the more recent additions. Wasted Time R (talk) 23:42, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

At this point, would it be possible (if not easier) just to change the top-level section to "Campaign Endorsements" which would be more accurate and remain overall relevant?OneHappyHusky (talk) 17:12, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Why has the list of Nobel laureates endorsing McCain been omitted entirely?

Out of curiosity, why has the list of Nobel laureates endorsing John McCain been omitted from this page? The word "Nobel" doesn't even occur once on the whole page, nor do I see any similar references in going line-by-line through all of the endorsements. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.164.44.83 (talk) 04:48, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

So, add them. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:30, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I would be willing, but I'm having difficulty on sources. Nobel laureates in economics Gary Becker, Robert Mundell, Edward C. Prescott, James M. Buchanan, and Vernon L. Smith endorsed McCain's economic proposals. It's uncertain if these support him as President, but Prescott seems to.--T. Anthony (talk) 09:11, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Comparing with Obama difficult

I was just looking over this page and trying to compare it to the corresponding Obama endorsement page, and found that it was rather difficult as they aren't structured the same way. I know way too little about this to even consider making any structural changes myself but I'll leave it here as a suggestion for those of you more knowledgeable. As the McCain page appears shorter it seems it might be easier to restructure it rather than Obama's, but either way would work... Furiku (talk) 12:19, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Contributions by User:KatieB813

I've noticed User:KatieB813 has just added a lot of uncited endorsements, some of which look a bit suspect. For instance, Rupert Murdoch is a well-known conservative media tycoon. At the same time, he has called Obama a "rock-star" and said of Mccain "McCain is a friend of mine. He's a patriot. But he's unpredicatble. Doesn't seem to know much about the economy. He has been in Congress a long time, and you have to make a lot of compromises. So what's he really stand for?... I think he has a lot of problems."[3]

Similarly, Terry Semel traditionally donates heavily republican, but has made donations to Obama, Hillary and Mccain.[4] I'm not familiar with many of her other additions, but I'm dubious as to their reliability.

I'm tempted to remove all her additions en masse, but I don't want to get into an edit war. Could I get some consensus on this?--122.109.134.121 (talk) 20:01, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm skeptical of some of these additions as well. I'm not willing to go through the work of removing them just now, but if they're not sourced by tomorrow night I may.--T. Anthony (talk) 23:50, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Even the adds that were "sourced" are not, as the url is simply to the company website of the CEO who is purportedly endorsing. Wasted Time R (talk) 00:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

African-American endorsements for McCain

I put down Renee Amoore, Cowboy Troy, Michael Steele, Lynn Swann, and Michael L. Williams, five of John McCain's African-American supporters. I found that info on those pages, so please put down citations that prove it. I don't know how to do it. Prior to that, I saw no well-known Blacks on that page who endorsed him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.174.140.226 (talk) 18:14, 22 April 2009 (UTC)