Talk:List of London Monopoly locations

Purple?

It's pink. 2.25.149.9 (talk) 02:17, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

There was a massive hoo-ha about this at the FLC, and the bottom line is three reliable sources contradict your unsourced assertion. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 05:11, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Ritchie333 means me; and although I was there with my board, the others couldn't be bothered to meet me in person. It's like "I refuse to see your evidence, because I deny that it exists". --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:43, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

WP:RS is what we use here. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:48, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Hah, wow. I note the colour being used for the section is 'deep pink' though! I'm with the hordes of people saying the pinks are pink, for what it's worth. Ubertoaster (talk) 11:46, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

This whole conversation reminds me of that scene out of Reservoir Dogs - "How 'bout if I'm Mr. Purple? That sounds good to me. I'll be Mr. Purple." "You're not Mr. Purple. Some guy on some other job is Mr. Purple. You're Mr. Pink." Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:53, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Comments and questions arising

1. It would make more sense to
   1. rename this to U.K. edition of Monopoly
   2. augment with more from Monopoly (game)#U.K. version
   3. turn that section's {{see also}} into a {{main}}
2. "...becoming the de facto standard board in the British Commonwealth." — it's not still the standard. Monopoly (game)#Games by locale or theme says Canada 1982, Australia 1990, and others have their own editions now.
3. Was there any contemporary comment on the "jail" spelling as opposed to "gaol"?
4. Do pub crawls include electric company, water works, jail or free parking? Probably some do, but is there any consensus about where? The Google-map includes jail with comment "It is not clear which prison this should be. I chose Pentonville Prison - perhaps the most famous London jail."
5. Not only is Mayfair an area rather than a street, but also some of the other Monopoly streets are within Mayfair or on its boundaries. If an RS has noted this, the article might also.
6. The linked Google Maps is not great. There are misspellings. Mayfair boundaries are crude. Representing streets as points instead of lines is misleading. Someone might put together a better map from OpenStreetMap.
7. The principal services for the railway stations should be listed as of 1935 as well as now.

jnestorius^(talk) 09:51, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Feel free to make edits! The Rambling Man (talk) 09:51, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. (TRM - while anyone is obviously free to change stuff, it is sensible for featured stuff to chat on the talk page first) In answering your questions, I would say:

1. No, because this article is not actually about the game (although there was an argument about that at the FLC), and list articles tend by convention to start "List of....", although I won't object to anyone filing a requested move to see if there is a consensus.
2. We can only go with what reliable sources tell us
3. No idea - has anyone got a source?
4. I think pub crawls are an ad-hoc organised thing; some do, some don't. Again, we can only go with what reliable sources print
5. These are Park Lane, Oxford Street, Bond Street, Regent Street, Vine Street and Piccadilly but as you say I'd be reluctant to add that without a reliable source showing it's important
6. Wikipedia has no control over external self-published sources, but feel free to comment on Google Maps if you know how to! If you think the link is sufficiently low quality, please remove it
7. As far as I'm aware the only significant change since 1935 is the closure of the Great Central Main Line, affecting Marylebone (which is mentioned in the list) unless I'm missing something. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:44, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

A couple of supplementary observations:

• Point 2 -- We can't make assertions not supported by RS, but we are not obliged to repeat verbatim a vague misleading or incorrect statement that slips into an RS, and should take care to avoid such an eventuality. What exactly does Moore 2003, pp. 9–10 say? Orbanes 1997 p.87 says Australia, NZ, and South Africa decided to retain London streets. I think for featured status it is reasonable to find sources e.g. newspapers telling when Australia etc. replaced London with their own versions. Orbanes 2004 p.107 specifically excludes Canada from Waddington's licence. Orbanes 1997 p.88 and Jeanneret say Copp Clark had the licence in Canada until the 1950s. (FWIW Canadian patent 362124 uses Atlantic City streets.) Veart 2014 p.274 says NZ imported Waddingtons sets from the UK until some time in the 60s or 70s when Holdson got a licence for local manufacture; can't tell from Google preview whether Veart says when local streets were introduced.

• I haven't got Tim Moore's book in front of me right now, but I know he is a self-confessed Monopoly enthusiast who knows the game well - and his view that the game was a de facto standard seems correct - you're pulling out the sources that said what officially happened. The only point of this sentence is to let the reader know the board is known outside the UK, particularly if they're from the US and only know the Atlantic City version. I also found sources like this which aren't what we could use as a RS for featured content, but I did like the quote, "There is romance associated with the streets of London that is simply lacking in the middling history of Atlantic City." Of course, nowadays there are more Monopoly board variants than I know what to do with, and sadly this list may not be as well-known to kids today as it was to me. :-( Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:34, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

• If his view is that the game still is a de-facto standard in 2017, I submit that he is 30 to 50 years out of date. It won't do to create a false impression in the mind of a US reader that the London list is as well known to the kids of Australia, India, and Nigeria today as it was to their grandparents. jnestorius^(talk) 17:01, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

• Despite Theresa May and David Davis doing their best to screw up the British economy, London is still an important tourist destination, and that's why the board is still familiar. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:12, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

• There is a difference between saying the streets are familiar to tourists as places, and saying the streets are familiar to gameplayers as game elements. The former is true but irrelevant and not what the article says. The latter was true once but no longer. jnestorius^(talk) 13:27, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

• Point 7 -- including Stansted Airport is what made me assume the station data was present-day to the exclusion of historic.

jnestorius^(talk) 15:21, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

• Well you could take Stansted out, it's not important. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:34, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

References

Symbols

The table gives property prices in pounds, which makes sense, but the board in the picture uses dollar signs (the rent schedules on the title deeds seem to, as well). Why is this? Is it actually a Canadian or Australian board? --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 16:34, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

It was the best quality picture I could find on Commons. There is File:Monopoly.jpg with British currency but it doesn't look as good. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:52, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

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House prices vs mortgage costs

I might be being stupid, but aren't the figures listed under "house price" the mortgage value of the property, and houses cost £50/£100/£150/£200 on the four sides of the board. Crb11 (talk) 23:00, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes, the mortgage value is half the site price, and the house prices are indeed £50 multiplied by the number of the board's side. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 00:00, 21 December 2020 (UTC)