Talk:List of North American regions by life expectancy

This page was proposed for deletion by Goldsztajn (talk · contribs) on 11 September 2024.

Protesting the removal of the page

Goldsztajn, I can't agree that this page is marked for removal. Why this page is marked as WP:OR though it contains only data from dataset of Global Data Lab and nothing more? I only filtered and designed data in more convenient and evident manner. Calculated numbers (sex gap and change of life expectancy between years) are easily checked. Criteria of sorting is clear and, I hope, logical.

This is very strange to me to read that this page does not satisfied criteria of WP:Notability (more exactly, WP:NLIST) since it contains evaluation of life expectancy in regions of many countries that does not have their separate pages about this topic.

The page is based entirely on a single source but that is not reason for deletion. Moreover, using single source for such big table I consider as highly desired since this ensures unity of the evaluation criteria.

All numbers in the table can be verified: Global Data Lab allows to download data freely (tab "Download" at their site, you can only have to create account), of just via their interactive map. — Lady3mlnm (talk) 06:36, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Lady3mlnm - the data has to be notable in and of itself, not the source of the data. That means there has to be reliable sources which discuss the data as it is grouped. If there are reliable sources which speak of the data grouped this way, then it will satisfy WP:NLIST. ~~But, for example, I have never heard of reliable sources referring to Haiti or Nicaragua as being considered part of North America.~~ Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 06:42, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake, I misread, Northern America for North America. Nevertheless, the grouping of the data still stands, in this way, it needs reliable sourcing. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 06:48, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For example, this text Demography: Analysis and Synthesis, Four Volume Set: A Treatise in Population p.210 would be a reliable source to satisfy an article comparing state/province level life expectancy between the US and Canada, but not anywhere else. This is the kind of sourcing that is required to satisfy the notability criteria of WP:NLIST. Creating an article solely from a data set is a form of original research. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 06:56, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Goldsztajn, I try to understand your logic. I'm sorry that I'm slow in that, English is not my native language.

If you wonder why for this page I selected these countries, they are selected according to the "list of countries in North America". I added this note to the page.

I wonder myself how Global Data Lab was able to estimate life expectancy in regions of Haiti and some other countries. Apparently, Global Data Lab uses some kind of estimate. But using of estimate in absence of direct data is usual practice in modern world: approximate data is better than compete absence of information. When analytical agency of the UN and the World Bank Group gives life expectancy in low developed countries, they typically do not also have comprehensive data about mortality there, and that is also estimate.

The term "original research" in Wikipedia means that Wikipedia editor does his/her own research. I don't do my own research - I use data from Global Data Lab. This organization does its research, but it is an authoritative source of information and can be cited at Wikipedia. The limitation WP:OR can't be applied to research that is done inside Global Data Lab and published openly in its site. How they obtained their data is question to them but not to a Wikipedia editor who uses their data. — Lady3mlnm (talk) 08:15, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Lady3mlnm Wikipedia is not a reliable source. In order to satisfy WP:NLIST there needs to be a reliable source which compares life expectancy at subnational levels of North American countries. Extracting data from a dataset and creating this article is what makes this original research; you have taken data and presented it in a way which is not arranged in such a way in a reliable source. The Global Data Lab as a repository of data might be notable, but arrangements of the data held there are only notable to the extent those arrangements themselves appear in reliable sources. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 10:16, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorting data by live expectancy is a trivial sorting, not an original research. Because there is many examples such as List of countries by life expectancy. We not need to prove all sorting by live expectancy. Рулин (talk) 12:39, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]