Talk:List of Steven Universe episodes/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Archive 3

Should we have Log Date as a season 2 episode or a season 3 episode?

Matt Burnett confirmed on twitter that the digital shorts count as an episode: presumably they would count as a season 2 episode, as that's when they premiered, and that's where the skipped production code (1031-058) that easily fits them would be. Given that, That would make Full Disclosure to Message Received 26 episodes (we could list 25 and have a note explaining that the shorts count as an episode), and then Log Date to Bubbled another 26 episodes. We're not following how CN splits the seasons (The Answer as the season 2 finale, Steven's Birthday as the season 3, likely inspired by Steven's Birthday's production code) anyway.

https://twitter.com/mcburnett/status/760165779786444800 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zemblant (talk • contribs) 18:37, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

• I went ahead and did it anyways, as someone already decided to count the shorts as an episode in the series overview (which means that before I changed things it was counting season 2 as having 27 episodes and season 3 as having 25) Zemblant (talk) 19:43, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Shorts counted as an episode

Saying that "episodes" in Burnett's tweet refer to the individual productions may or may not be true, but it's original research, and unless we have another reliable source stating otherwise, we should go by the source we have. nyuszika7h (talk) 15:29, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

@Nyuszika7H: Almost every show out there has shorts, and none of them count them as an actual episode. They only count as a production code (1031-058), and by that logic the shorts should be 58 and ALL numbers after 58 should be changed. It's definitely not episode 79 though. Also remember that the staff work by production code, not aired episode number. Also, the episode numbers are the airing numbers, and the shorts never aired on TV, they're only internet shorts. Minecraft69 (talk) 22:53, 20 August 2016 (UTC) — Copied from User talk:DragonflySixtyseven – nyuszika7h (talk) 09:43, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

@Minecraft69: Yes, it's strange to have the shorts counted as an episode, but saying that other shows don't do that is a WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument. I'm not saying you're definitely wrong, but unless you have a better source stating the opposite, we go by what he said, which simply "episode". nyuszika7h (talk) 09:43, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Regarding the shorts being episode 58, the production codes don't always reflect the intended viewing order, as you can see at the beginning of season 1. nyuszika7h (talk) 09:47, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Names of the next batch of shorts.

The Turner Classic Movies website (which has the names of shorts for all of CN shows listed under the pages for each VA) has the names for the shorts for next season

http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/person/12875701%7C0/Zach-Callison/

• Video Chat with Peridot & Lapis
• Lion Patiently Narrates Steven Cooking
• Steven's Song Time
• Gem Karaoke
• Crying Breakfast Friends Reaction Vid

Zemblant (talk) 20:18, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Main story marking

It'd be nice to have some kind of mark at the episodes that deal with the main story (so as to tell them apart from fillers), like they have on the X-Files page, or some others. I, for one, would rather just watch the story episodes rather than have to watch all the fillers as well, or sort through the episodes, and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only fan of the series who'd find this to be a good idea.--92.114.148.141 (talk) 22:21, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

That would be original research because there is no reliable source telling us what the "main story" consists of.  Sandstein  22:49, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Guest star?

What qualifies someone to be listed on a separate line, as "Guest star"? Uzo Aduba is probably a guest star. But is e.g. Alexia Khadime? AJD (talk) 00:14, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Typo in episode description of Season 3 - Episode 15 (Alone at Sea)

I can't perform an edit under semi-protected mode as I've only made 7 edits total, but the first sentence of the description reads:

"Steven and Greg take Lapis Lazuli on a boat ride to help her have recover from her trauma."

The word "have" should be removed.

Done. AJD (talk) 15:31, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Error in summary

                                 As of December 1, 2016, 113 episodes of Steven Universe have aired. Episodes have variously been broadcast once a week                                         (currently on Thursday nights), or in blocks of five new episodes in the course of a week, which are marketed as "Stevenbombs"

Dec 1 2016? That means that 113 episodes have aired in a little over a month. This is not correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.28.67.106 (talk) 20:07, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Date wrong on new crystal gems

its the 16th not 10th

I found this out the hard way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8801:683:E800:B8E7:ED7A:EDE8:9B9B (talk) 01:05, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

May Steven Bomb air dates

According to zap2it, S04E20 thru S04E24 air on May 15-19. (well, S04E20 is implied to be 5/15, it lists it as 3/23 but I think that was just the unintentional early release in certain markets.) 2601:602:9C00:62A3:C065:E77:84E4:3F6D (talk) 21:23, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 23 April 2017

Episode 46 is The Message, not what you have listed it as. 2607:FEA8:2CA0:DD:A9BD:2942:BAA9:FD5A (talk) 17:13, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — IVORK _Discuss 10:20, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

While "The Message" may have been episode 46 in airing order, "Open Book" is the actual episode 46; it was pushed back into Season 2 so the first bomb could get into the heavy episodes without the lighter ones messing with the tone and schedule. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crossover Enthusiast (talk • contribs) 04:04, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Log Date 7 15 2 - Season 2 or 3?

I don't really feel like there's been much discussion about this whereas it has evidence contradicting its current placement in season 2.

1. As stated by Matt Burnett in now deleted tweets, every season has 26 episodes and the shorts count as one episode together. Counting Log Date as a season 2 episode obviously makes season 2 have 27 episodes and season 3 only have 25.
2. As stated by Ian Jones-Quarterly on Twitter, he considered Message Received to be the mid-season finale of season 2. Now, this was at a time when seasons 2 and 3 as we now know them were considered to be two halves of season 2, containing 52 episodes. If they were split following this remark, it would follow that Ian would consider Message Received to be the end of season 2 (or the first half of season 2 as it was then known to be), thus making Log Date 7 15 2 the first episode of season 3. Ian was co-executive producer at the time, which gives this statement weight.
3. Broadcast dates have been shown to have no weight in where seasons start or finish. Season 2 started in the middle of a Stevenbomb. Season 4 started its final two episodes on the tail-end of the Summer of Steven. Granted, both of those had weekly episodes following them while there was a long hiatus following Log Date 7 15 2, but they're both precedents to not having season changes planned around daily episodes.

I feel that this strongly points towards that Log Date 7 15 2 should in fact be the start of season 3 rather than an extra episode of season 2. Would anyone like to chime in with their thoughts?--Cloud789 (talk) 06:05, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Summaries too long in episode articles

I would like to point out that a number of the individual episode articles of this series suffer from overly detailed summaries. As of now, the summaries of the following episodes – "Rose's Scabbard", "Jail Break", "Sworn to the Sword", "Cry for Help", "The Answer", "Super Watermelon Island", "Gem Drill", "Bismuth", and "Mindful Education" – vastly exceed the maximum of 400 words per article, with most of them ranging anywhere between 700 and 900 words, which is already considered excessive for films 8 times as long as a single episode of this series. A few of these articles also open with phrases "the episode begins", which should be avoided. I request these sections be rewritten to follow the Manual of Style guidelines on proper summary style, and that the sections be marked accordingly for the time being. Please see WP:PLOTSUM for details. User:SubZeroSilver (talk) 07:23, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Onions family

Well, it was just a marathon called that :( source: http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tv/steven-universe-onion-family/EP016164321024?aid=zap2it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.9.72.235 (talk) 23:36, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 July 2017

Onion Family is not an episode, it was a marathon title that aired in 2016, so remove Onion Family from episode list. Cyanite Gem (talk) 13:55, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) 16:58, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Someone removed it with no comment here. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 21:57, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Future episode info

The info on an upcoming episode, called "Reunited", is from Kametsu.com, an unofficial source. Apparently, this is where a user named "misseps" gathers leaked data from Cartoon Network's servers. I strongly recommend that users here not get any info from sites like Kametsu. Please wait until info on an upcoming episode of Steven Universe is found on an official source, like news articles on the upcoming episode, or sites like Zap2it or TV Guide. That way we would know officially! For now, I have removed the upcoming episode for safety. Feel free to put it back until we get official word.Elijah Abrams (talk) 07:31, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 July 2017

Shelby Rabara, the voice of Peridot on Steven Universe confirmed that the episode will be on July 18, 2017. 24.198.180.233 (talk) 20:59, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 21:03, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 July 2017

There's an episode titled "Reunited" in Season 5, yet its not been confirmed and it doesn't have any sources next to the title. 66.69.209.242 (talk) 18:51, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done: Per a guideline called WP:CRYSTAL, we cannot add this request until a confirmation is made. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 19:24, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

 Done I belive the OP was asking for it to be removed. Which I did. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 23:31, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

*Reunited

I think the episode "Reunited" is going to be premiered on August 11 Juliet92 (talk) 17:55, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2017

Can we change Season 1's last airdate to April 16, 2015? The last episode of Season 1 IS technically Jailbreak but the ACTUAL last episode to air was Shirt Club on April 16, 2015. 66.69.209.242 (talk) 18:16, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 01:48, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Reliable source? My claims come from the episode list here on the page you dumbass! Shirt Club is a Season 1 episode that aired on April 16, 2015 which was AFTER Jailbreak had aired, therefore April 16, 2015 is the last time Season 1 aired a new episode. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.69.209.242 (talk) 17:54, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

You want to avoid using terms like "dumbass" in reference to other users on Wikipedia, but otherwise you make a valid argument. A lot of good editing can happen in ten years. (talk) 20:05, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Plot Summaries

Should there be longer (but not describing-everything-in-the-episode long) summaries of the episodes? Just wondering. Dangronples (talk) 13:25, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 July 2017

Steven Universe Reunited episode confirmed on August 23 by Rebecca Sugar. 'Bold text' 2603:3020:E09:8E00:ECB5:24BD:65BD:8756 (talk) 21:44, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 22:12, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Episode Numbering

Cartoon Network's website lists episode "Three Gems and a Baby" as Season 4, Episode 9. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:558:6030:31:ACA9:61EC:CF9F:2D81 (talk) 21:33, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

About the episode, "Dewey Wins!"

This is a fully legitimate episode, however the August 25 air date is for Southeast Asia only. The air date in the United States is currently unknown. Please make an edit to this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamull2013 (talk • contribs) 05:46, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

References

New Steven Universe "Stranded" to air in January 2018

Steven Universe is getting two new episodes titled "Stranded" on Friday January 5, 2018. https://twitter.com/CartoonNetPR/status/941023516974972928 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:F246:BB00:C9BC:82C0:DFFA:2838 (talk) 21:15, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Season 1 episodes are in the incorrect order

The correct order is on the official cartoon network website. Additionally, a few episodes from season 2 are messed up. You can find the correct order here: http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/video/steven-universe/episodes/season-1.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgoldfarb1 (talk • contribs) 02:13, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 January 2018

In the "Series Overview" section, change "#Season 5 (2017-present)" to "#Season 5 (2017–present)" (in other words, change the hyphen to en dash so the link to the Season 5 section actually works again). 82.9.105.98 (talk) 02:41, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Done AdA&D 02:50, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 January 2018

In the "Season 5 (2017–present)" section, remove this line from the table:

|prodcodeR=<ref name="January2018"/>

This appears to be a remnant of a reference used to support that Lars of the Stars/Jungle Moon were going to air this month, which was then removed after they had done so. So this was clearly left behind by mistake. 82.9.105.98 (talk) 15:04, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:46, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Should summaries be longer?

MOS:TVPLOT suggests that plot summaries in episode lists like this one should be "no more than 200 words". The summaries in this article range between about 10 and 70 words, which means they could be a lot longer and more detailed if we wanted. Personally I like the short synopses as they are, but I thought I'd raise the question: should the synopses in this episode list be more detailed than what we've got here? AJD (talk) 06:41, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Based on what the user who implicitly inspired this question stated in their edit summaries, they're basing their expansion of certain plot summaries on a tag that's been in place since June 2016, thereby I suspect is highly outdated. Perhaps removal of that tag is all that would be required. If you aren't doing so, you may disregard my request not to point that thing at me. (talk) 12:20, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

I mean, sure, but it's still worth asking if people think the summaries should be longer, isn't it? But yeah, I'll remove that tag. AJD (talk) 21:39, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Reddit and Kametsu

The sources cited for the titles of upcoming sources are Reddit (which itself cites a source, in French, that does not support the claimed list of titles) and Kametsu, which as far as I can tell is some forum for sharing pirated video. Is either of these a reliable source for these titles? (Especially insofar as the sources disagree on the title of the fifth episode.) AJD (talk) 20:41, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

About reverting edits to the "Series overview" section

It seems that whoever does the reverting sometimes forgets to re-add the </onlyinclude> tag at the end of the table. This results in the translusion of the series overview from this page breaking in the main Steven Universe page, usually making another editor decide to remove the translusion or substitute it with a copy.

Just thought I'd mention this problem, since I've fixed it like two or three times now! Could those regularly watching this page make a note to check </onlyinclude> is there (and in the right place) for the next time reverting is needed? Thanks. -- Monster Iestyn (talk) 05:11, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Vandalism problem

Many users are vandalizing the article, putting in false, unsourced info! Can someone please lock it? Elijah Abrams (talk) 21:21, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

HEY! SOMEONE ANSWE ME!!!! THE ARTICLE KEEPS GETTING VANDALIZED!!!! Elijah Abrams (talk) 01:35, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

For starters, it is usually frowned upon to write your entire message in capitals, as this counts as written-form shouting, and in Wikipedia talk pages users are expected to write in a rational tone. Secondly, you make a good point in that the persistent additions of unsourced and fairly dubious content to the page is disruptive, and that the page may best be locked for the time being to reduce these occurrences, but to outright brand it as vandalism may be a bit harsher than required. More than likely, most of the users making these edits do not realize why what they're doing is not compliant with Wikipedia's policies; their experience with editing this site is probably very limited. Have you tried talking directly to any of them, and explaining why unsourced content is ill-advised? If you aren't doing so, you may disregard my request not to point that thing at me. (talk) 01:42, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I got stressed over the constant editing. Elijah Abrams (talk) 02:04, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Episodes in 5-night event starting July 2, 2018

This reference which is in the article states "The five-episode arc, 'Heart of the Crystal Gems,'" which means to me that there will be 5 episodes, not 6 episodes, in the five-episode arc. That last fact seems to be contentious so I am explaining the reasoning. One of my edits that was reverted stated "Firstly, it was revealed a year ago that Reunited was 22 minutes long, and it has been revealed many, many times on different sources." to which I respond none of those purported sources are listed in this article and the reference that is in the article gives differing information. The main one is that it is the fifth episode in a set of 5. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:28, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

File:ReunitedHalfHourConfirmed (1).jpg It was a single, so you said, there are only five episodes, so you said. Well guess who was right! Ryan Jay (talk) 18:12, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for confirming what the other reference stated. It is a single episode. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:05, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

If you guys need sources, I have an official, Toonzone, who lists episodes of various series on the show. In July's schedule, we see the episodes of the special and the latter, Reunited, is listed as a half-hour special.

SOURCE>>> https://www.toonzone.net/forums/threads/cartoon-network-july-2018-premiere-info.5667021/

Red the Doctor Q.I (talk) 18:21, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Besides the fact that reference is not a reliable source based on it being a forum posting by an anonymous person, it does support the fact that the episode in question is one single episode. I fail to see what why the length of that episode matters in how it is documented. Things are what they actually factually are. One episode with one set of credits is one episode, not two. There is no question that the episode is one single episode. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:05, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

You see, the CN narrator says it will be a five-NIGHT, not five-episode event. But if you insist, let's wait and see that Reunited was even a 22-minute special. Red the Doctor Q.I (talk) 19:42, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

So far all the evidence that has been presented shows it is a single episode. I fail to understand why you wish to say it is not a single episode when every source says it is one. Length is irrelevant, it is a longer than normal special. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:01, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

That episode takes up 2 episode slots in the picture of the tv guide. meaning that it too is a half-hour special. Also Bismuth and Gem Harvest don't have two sets of credits. Also there has been more evidence that it's 22 minutes than 11 minutes. and CN has been KNOWN for F A L S E A D V E R T I S I N G. Remember 'New Episodes Every Hour Every Day' Ryan Jay (talk) 21:36, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

What is there shows a single episode that takes up a half-hour episode slot as far as I can see. One set of credits so it is one episode, not two episodes back to back. I haven't looked at the other episodes you mentioned, I had assumed they were two episodes with two sets of credits based on how documented. If they don't, they are single episodes and should be listed as such. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:45, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Bismuth and Gem Harvest are definitely single episodes with one title card and set of credits each, listed with two episode numbers because they are double-length and, I guess, produced as two episodes. Compare "Emissary" in List of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine episodes. It's a double-length episode, not (originally) broadcast as a two-parter, but is numbered as two episodes in the list because of its double-length status. AJD (talk) 00:03, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

That shouldn't have been labeled as a two-parter either if it wasn't. Assumption is that with two episode numbers in the table, a two part episode is being documented in a single table entry and it was originally broadcast in two parts. A long episode is just that, a single long episode. They don't get treated as what they are not. The number of production slots used to create a single entity is interesting production background but should not be considered when talking about the finished product. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:08, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

I don't have a strong opinion about what would be the best practice to have, but Wikipedia appears to be inconsistent on this matter. In this article and in articles on Star Trek series (List of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine episodes, List of Star Trek: The Next Generation episodes, List of Star Trek: Voyager episodes), double-length episodes are given two episode numbers, so "Emissary" is episodes 1 and 2 of DS9. On the other hand, in List of Dora the Explorer episodes, double-length episodes are treated the same as any other episode and numbered once. I lean towards retaining the double-numbering for this list, simply because "Bismuth" was billed as the show's 100th episode and that only makes sense with double-counting. But I don't have a strong preference, as I said. AJD (talk) 20:22, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

I'd prefer to treat single episodes, not matter the length as what they actually are, single episodes. The practice on some shows to multicount long episodes as 2, 3 and sometimes 4 episodes doesn't reflect what was aired and reflects some desire that considers production slots important. There is no reason to misrepresent what has actually aired in articles. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:29, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

yes but that's Y O U R preference, Every CN show on wikipedia has double LENGTH episodes, and they are all listed with two numbers Ryan Jay (talk) 23:49, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Then they're wrong, if those "double-length episode" aired with a single set of credits. However, if it was just episodes that aired back-to-back (i.e. with two sets of credits), then they get counted as two episodes. We go off what the broadcast network does – the prod. codes are there to indicate what happened during production, but episodes tables are supposed to follow how the episodes were originally broadcast. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:19, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

boy, were you wrong, Ryan Jay (talk) 20:50, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

I think previous precedent would have these numbered as one episode each rather than two; Doctor Who (season 21), for example, counts 'Resurrection of the Daleks', which was made as four episodes and re-formatted into two for scheduling reasons, as the two episodes it first aired as; As far as I've seen, in every other episode list that numbers double episodes like this there actually are split up versions of the episodes. I'm not aware of there being two-part versions of the extended Steven Universe episodes. LostTL (talk) 22:55, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

This isn't really relevant here exactly, but Bismuth was aired as a two-parter in Japan. (Japan hasn't even gotten to Gem Harvest (EDIT: appears they might actually be skipping it, at least for now, with what their site seems to say), let alone this episode so no other knowledge as to that, but felt like noting it since it's technically an instance of two-parting, though not necessarily relevant.) What might be relevant is that Cartoon Network's website numbers "Legs from Here to Homeworld" as 24 and not 25. I'm not sure that particular listing is always accurate so it might not be usable but... - Purplewowies (talk) 05:28, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Guest stars?

Is there some systematic way of deciding who counts and get listed as a "guest star" in an episode? There are a few people listed who seem to actually be "guest stars" in the strict sense—a celebrity, outside the recurring cast, making a special appearance—e.g., Mike Krol and Joan Jett. (I might add Aimee Mann and Nicki Minaj, though they're not listed as "guest stars" in the article currently). But: is Alexia Khadime really a guest "star"? She's not a particularly well-known celebrity. Is Patti Lupone or Uzo Aduba still a "guest" star, given that they've each appeared more episodes than, say, Crispin Freeman? Is there any sort of standard for deciding who counts as a guest star? AJD (talk) 02:29, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

In the context of these tables, guest stars would be people who star as characters in the episode who aren't in the main cast (here: Garnet, Amethyst, Pearl, and Steven--the people who are always under the "featured voices" header), even if they're recurring, in my experience. I tried to figure out if the Wikiproject had specific rules for this. Can't find any hard-and-fast ones besides the distinction between main and not-main. I do think it's a bit weird to start making value assumptions between two notable celebrities, though--maybe Patti LuPone would win a "who's more notable" competition against Alexia but they're both notable enough to have articles, so I don't see a good reason to further judge their notability for the purposes of deciding their "place"--that feels a bit POV.
There's a small bit of guidance in the project MOS about coming to a consensus for whether a role is recurring vs. "just" guest (it's not really episode article specific but here, the paragraph starting with "A cast member or character appearing in more than one episode"), but it's mostly "defer to sources... or come to a consensus if the sources don't adequately distinguish". - Purplewowies (talk) 05:56, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

The standard "guest stars would be people who star as characters in the episode who aren't in the main cast" would lead to absurd conclusions like "Grace Rolek is a guest star", so we can't use that. I also think it'd be weird to call Crispin Freeman a guest star just because he only appears in a handful of episodes. Maybe either this article shouldn't list "guest stars" per se, or only list those who were advertised as guest stars or described as such in other reliable sources. AJD (talk) 11:09, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

So like, I can find reliable sources for Uzo Aduba, Nicki Minaj, and basically nobody else. Can we come to a consensus on who else counts as "guest stars", or some kind of standard for evaluating? Someone just listed all of AJ Michalka's appearances as a guest star, which I strongly disagree with (Stevonnie is a recurring character, not a guest, and AJ Michalka is not convincingly a "star"). If there's no consensus or consistent standard on who counts, I don't see why I shouldn't just remove all references to "guest stars". AJD (talk) 04:29, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Noting 'events' and specials

I have added a section to each season that notes when episodes aired outside of the regular weekly schedule, as "events"/"Stevenbombs"; These notes have subsequently been removed by EJS524 (on the grounds that they are "not necessary") and reinstated by AlexTheWhovian several times. The television manual of style states that "days or timeslots are not inherently notable, but if covering a series that switches these during its run, it may be helpful to note them for each season", and I believe that this information is justifiably "helpful" for the following reasons:

• It summarises the inconsistent schedule in a way that is not clear from just looking at the dates; For example, noting the block of 'Summer Adventures' episodes indicates that there was a specific reason for most of Season Three airing on consecutive weekdays, which would otherwise seem random.
• It indicates how the series has been marketed, and how Cartoon Network itself has categorized and presented story arcs to viewers.
• A casual viewer might be familiar with an event like 'Wanted' (an hour long 'special'), as it was branded with this subtitle in marketing, but not know the titles of the episodes it contained.
• The way that episodes have aired can have an effect on how they are perceived by viewers and critics; For example, the review cited in the reception section of 'Off Colors' covers the four episodes in a single review, consequently praising 'Stuck Together' for the way it sets up for 'Lars' Head'.

LostTL (talk) 00:52, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Production codes

Is there a reason as to why Season 5's production codes all have question marks in them? Same for the pilot? -- Alex^TW 02:16, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Steven Universe S5E25

I understand that Cartoon Network didn't air the episode until December, but given that it was in fact, released in July, shouldn't the date indicate that? What is the definition of "air date"? 96.75.73.49 (talk) 16:34, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

All other air dates are the first US TV airdate. You will see that every other episode first released on the app or in another country also uses the US TV airdate, but with a note of its first airing. Legs does the same. It's consistent.Lndunham (talk) 17:32, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Air date is the network broadcast date. Hence, date of broadcast on Cartoon Network. A note is already included for it's early release. -- Alex^TW 23:11, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Steven Universe: Battle of Heart and Mind

@EJS524: Starting a discussion here for you to prevent an edit-war. The Futon Critic lists the episode solely as #529 and thus it must be listed solely as #529. You need a source explicitly stating that it's four episodes, else you are executing textbook WP:SYNTH and WP:OR, based on your own observations on the length of the episode and what it "must therefore be". That is behaviour that is not allowed on Wikipedia by strict policy. -- Alex^TW 00:19, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

@EJS524: You have now violated WP:3RR - it is a requirement that you discuss here. -- Alex^TW 00:45, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

@EJS524: Do you intend to reply here? -- Alex^TW 05:59, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Just adding here as a note, looking at the listings for Steven Universe on The Futon Critic, all multi-part episodes have almost always had combined codes:

• (#1026-051/52) The Return/Jailbreak
• (#301/302) Super Watermelon Island; Gem Drill
• (#320/321) Bismuth, Parts 1 & 2
• (#322/323) Beta; Earthlings
• (#408/409) Gem Harvest, Parts 1 & 2
• (#501-504) Stuck Together/The Trial/Off Colors/Lars' Head
• (#523/524) Reunited, Parts 1 & 2

Comparing to these, The Futon Critic lists "Steven Universe: Battle of Heart and Mind" only as #529. Hence, it is only listed as 5x29 for now, until such a time that the listing may change. -- Alex^TW 00:24, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

@AlexTheWhovian yes but why would it be listed as "Steven Universe: Battle of Heart and Mind" if it wasn't a special Ryan Jay (talk) 12:53, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

@Mariofan3: It could be a special. Do you have a source explicitly stating that it will take up four episode numbers? -- Alex^TW 15:24, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Pinging UBracter. See above. The given source does not state four episode numbers. -- Alex^TW 23:35, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Possible suggestion, since there are reputable sources giving a longer runtime, maybe keep the episode as one row but put "157-??? and 29-??", with a footnote about the unclear status? If not I understand the Futon Critic argument I guess. Lndunham (talk) 19:07, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Lndunham, it's not unclear. It has a longer runtime, sure. It's listed as a singular episodes. There's nothing unclear about that. -- Alex^TW 00:54, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

On second glance The Futon Critic source is itself erroneous, listing the time slot as only 7:00 PM-7:15 PM which multiple reputable sources contradict. I guess this is still the best solution for the moment and idk if FC would ever update its error but like, probably it's gonna change.Lndunham (talk) 04:33, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Shouldn't season 5 be listed as ending in 2019, not 2018, since Futon Critic indicates the entire Diamond Days arc as 5##? Or do we not update such things until airing of episodes? Lndunham (talk) 04:07, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Lndunham, where in Futon does it state that Season 5 is ending with Battle of Heart and Mind? And yes, per MOS:TVUPCOMING, years should not be added to said section heading until an episode actually airs in that calendar year. -- Alex^TW 04:12, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

I imagine the year should be per the style omitted entirely/just be "present" until something is assured to be a finale, then, no? Lndunham (talk) 04:18, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

No, the year should be listed per the last episode that has aired. That is, 2017-18. Once the January episodes have aired, then it becomes listed as 2017-19. -- Alex^TW 04:21, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2018

Change the date of "Legs from here to homeworld" from Dec. 17th to July 22nd. Fat Injections (talk) 18:32, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

@Fat Injections: The date as provided is meant to reflect the first time the episode aired on television. I believe a click-on note has been provided to cover the fact that it was available to the public, online, as of July 22nd. We Wikipedians only take NO for an answer! (talk) 18:54, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Fat Injections,  Not done per above reply. -- Alex^TW 23:35, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2019

Change 157-160/29-32 in season 5 to just 157/29, as a tweet by Ian Jones-Quartey posted a tweet saying that it will be one 44 minute episode and not four total episodes. Understuck (talk) 05:51, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

References

It wouldn't be 157/29, it would be either 154/28 or 157-160/29-32. It takes up four numbers to be consistent with with the double-length episodes taking up two numbers (which itself reflects the production codes), though as most (if not all) official sources seem to only count them once anyway, it would make sense for Wikipedia's list to do the same. LostTL (talk) 17:46, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

 Not done Per above comment. -- /Alex/₂₁ 00:56, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Can we please remove the spoiler from episode 5-19?

Its frustrating that it says "After learning that The biggest spoiler of the whole series," when it could just say "after learning the truth about rose quarts and pink diamond." Like, what if you are two episodes away and you are checking wikipedia to see which episode you were on? It would totally ruin it! I think this wording should be adjusted. 2601:281:8300:94C3:55CE:B16D:6250:FE4F (talk) 06:15, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

No. Wikipedia does not filter spoilers, per WP:SPOILER. I recommend you read the guideline thoroughly. If an editor views an episode list, their reason for which being irrelevant, they should expect to see content that could be considered an important plot development. -- /Alex/₂₁ 06:19, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Also, note that we already have an informal norm on this page of not spoiling the episode being described. But it's just not possible, in general, to avoid spoiling for previous episodes, since an episode's premise may depend on the outcome of a previous episode. AJD (talk) 06:55, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

I don't think that 'informal norm' is helpful, as the current summaries tend to end vaguely and are therefore less useful to anyone not already familiar with the episode's plot. As per the manual of style: "all of an episode's important events should be outlined without censoring details considered spoilers". LostTL (talk) 22:30, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, I see what you're saying. I kind of like it as it is, in part because it keeps what we've got in this article concise. I kind of think of the "synopses" on this page not as actual synopses of the plots of the episodes, but rather as just explanations of the premise. AJD (talk) 00:07, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Season 2 Comes to DVD on April 16, 2019!

I'm surprised to see that no one has added Steven Universe: The Complete Second Season's release to this article yet. It'll be released on DVD & Blu-Ray on April 16, 2019. Here's a reference to show you guys.

MatthewRC (talk) 13:04, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

References

Do you have a more reliable source? The side provided doesn't seem to conform with WP:RS. -- /Alex/₂₁ 13:11, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Added, now that Amazon corroborates most of the info. LostTL (talk) 14:14, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Credits

Per MOS:TV, the credits need to be listed exactly as credited; we cannot modify how the producers list them. That means full name, and "and" per WGA screenwriting credit system#Process. -- /Alex/₂₁ 00:46, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Gem Harvest

In addition to this list of episodes, Wikipedia has articles for about 20 individual episodes of Steven Universe, from "Steven the Sword Fighter" to "Change Your Mind", plus a stub for "Gem Glow". I've written a draft article for "Gem Harvest", which seems particularly notable because it was a controversial episode that received a lot of discussion from critics. The draft was rejected at AfC for what seems to me to be invalid reasons. However, the rejecting reviewer suggested consulting other editors on this list page to see if there's support for giving "Gem Harvest" a standalone article. So, what do you think? Is "Gem Harvest" sufficiently notable for an article of its own? The draft cites six articles from independent secondary sources discussing the episode. AJD (talk) 18:20, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

I agree with the creation of the article. The article subject does not already exists in Wikipedia, the reviewer is clearly incorrect and is trying to backstep their mistake. -- /Alex/₂₁ 22:02, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 June 2019

Change the original release date of the latest short ("Social Media"), which is currently listed as "July 24, 2019", to "June 24, 2019", because it came out this month (June). See the publish date on the short itself here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKohUwlaWA4 Seltsameseeds (talk) 14:41, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Done. AJD (talk) 17:04, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Number of episodes

I think the sentence stating how many episode there are should count multi-length episodes as single episodes—i.e., "Bismuth" is one episode, "Change Your Mind" is one episode, etc. The first half and second half of "Bismuth" weren't (and aren't) aired separately; they don't have separate titles or closing credits, etc. Saying that "Bismuth" is two episodes of Steven Universe is like saying that "The Iron Throne" is 1⅓ episodes of Game of Thrones, because it's 80 minutes long. It's not 1⅓ episodes; it's just a longer-than-usual episode. Similarly, "Bismuth" is not two episodes of Steven Universe. The number of episodes of the show that have aired is 154, not 160. What's the argument against this? AJD (talk) 05:58, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

The current status of the episode counts are supported by reliable sources; we base our content off of reliable sources per policies WP:V and WP:RS. For example, the listing for Steven Universe on Futon Critic lists "(#320/321) Bismuth, Parts 1 & 2", clearly indicating two parts that are categorized as episodes 3x20 and 3x21. Therefore, there taking these episodes and the other similar ones into account, there are 160 episodes of Steven Universe. But this isn't just maths; the count of 160 episodes can also be supported by sources: this source states "over the course of five seasons and 160 episodes", this one states "160 bite-sized episodes of TV". -- /Alex/₂₁ 06:07, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

We Need to Talk

We Need to Talk shouldn't redirect here. The main article is clearly We Need to Talk (album). Billiekhalidfan (talk) 19:49, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Billiekhalidfan,  Done -- /Alex/₂₁ 09:21, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 September 2019

Add Body Functionality Short Katiliniana (talk) 23:05, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. -- /Alex/₂₁ 01:14, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Say Uncle

The events of this episode may chronologically occur during Season 1, but that doesn't make it an actual part of Season 1. It has a season 2 production code, and that's really all the evidence that should be required. Cartoon Network didn't order one season of 53 episodes and then a second season of 51 episodes (which broke down into two seasons pf 25 plus an episode's worth of shorts) - they ordered two seasons of 52 episodes. - Chris McFeely (talk) 14:05, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Per the source included, Say Uncle was intended to be part of Season 1. A great example of episodes being listed in their intended order rather than their broadcast order is List of Futurama episodes. -- /Alex/₂₁ 14:09, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

That doesn't mean it's part of Season 1, it just meant it occurs during it. You cite the Futurama example, but you'll notice that article is grouped in accordance with how the seaons were produced, which is what I'm advocating for here; for a counter-example, consider List of Star Wars: The Clone Wars episodes, a series whose third season features episodes that chronologically occur during its first season, but are nonetheless listed under it's third because that's what they were produced and aired as. Furthermore, it's actually impossible for CN to have even ordered 53 episodes for Season 1, because Steven Universe was ordered by CN by the half-hour, not by individual quarter-hour episodes. Look at this article linked on the main SU page, which relates how the first season was expanded from 13 episodes (half-hours) to 26. The creators have talked about how they thought "Mirror Gem"/"Ocean Gem" (the 13th half-hour) would be the final episode, until they got picked up for another 13 half-hours (taking it up to "The Return"/"Jailbreak"). "Say Uncle" was produced as part of the July 2014 order for a second round of 26 half-hours (that wound up being split across Season 2, Season 3, and the shorts), as clearly proven by its production number (1031; Season 1 episodes are numbered 1026), which is listed on this article already. - Chris McFeely (talk) 14:17, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Please change Cragg's name

He came out as transgender and now goes by Danny Cragg, along with he/him pronouns. Thank you.

References

 Not done Credits in episode tables must be listed exactly how they appear in the episodes. They are credited as Amber Cragg in the episodes, and thus are listed as Amber Cragg. If they are credited as Danny Cragg in future episodes, then they will be listed here as Danny Cragg. -- /Alex/₂₁ 22:01, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

But you changed Jesse Zuke's name. Can you not also do it for Danny? 173.53.27.101 (talk) 02:17, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

I did not. -- /Alex/₂₁ 02:33, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Jesse Zuke is not the name listed in the show's credits, however.173.53.27.101 (talk) 04:21, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Right you are. Seems it was changed back in April. I've restored their credited name, thanks for the heads up! -- /Alex/₂₁ 09:01, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Could footnotes to that effect be made in the first instances of each name? Something like "[Current Name] was credited as [Old Name], [pronoun] has come out as trans since the airing of the episodes with this credit. [citation]" 138.110.225.24 (talk) 21:42, 20 November 2019 (UTC)