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Redlinked names - Delta and SEALs

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The contents of this page and List of Delta Force members are vulnerable to redlinking. This has been a problem for many years, even though both articles have editor comments about non-notable names. Many of these warriors really should have WP articles because they are WP:Notable. Wikipedia editing guidance WP:RED says "Add red links to articles to indicate that a page will be created soon or that an article should be created for the topic because the subject is notable and verifiable [emphasis added]." Okay, we also have the guidance in WP:LISTPEOPLE. When we enforce a blue-link notability requirement for a list of people we avoid the problem of cluttering up the list with narrative about notability and the supporting citations for the narrative. That material belongs in the individual articles, not in these lists. In other words, interested editors should WP:WTAF. (This comment is also posted on the Delta-list talkpage) – S. Rich (talk) 22:12, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

List

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Here is the red-linked names that have been removed, should anyone wish to create an article about any of them:

There may be other removed names found in the page history. - wolf 04:42, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Buchanan, Susy. "Former Navy SEAL Matthew Bracken Publishes Book Touting Aztlan Conspiracy Theory". splcenter.org. Southern Poverty Law Center. Retrieved 2 June 2018.[unreliable source?]
  2. ^ "Memorial Plaque Unveiled". United States Navy. Retrieved 6 July 2010.[failed verification]
  3. ^ "Proceedings Magazine – April 2004 Vol. 130/4/1,214, U.S. Naval Institute". Usni.org. 24 October 1911. Retrieved 19 May 2011.
  4. ^ R.L. Crossland. Red Ice (9780595150137): Roger Crossland: Books. ASIN B01BWA2F4A.
  5. ^ Marlantes, Karl. Jade Rooster (Dreadnaughts and Bluejackets) (9781440116216): R.L. Crossland: Books. ASIN B01A0BWI80.
  6. ^ "John Gay - Recipient - Military Times Hall of Valor".
  7. ^ http://inquirer.philly.com/packages/somalia/who.asp
  8. ^ "SEAL Operator 2nd Class Ryan Job's obituary". facebook.com. Retrieved 19 February 2018.[unreliable source?]
  9. ^ "R. Kaiser". Archived from the original on 23 August 2017. Retrieved 31 May 2018.
  10. ^ https://www.historyanswers.co.uk/history-of-war/interview-with-a-navy-seal/ [self-published source?]
  11. ^ "Rear Admiral Alexander L. Krongard". United States Navy. Retrieved 19 February 2015.
  12. ^ Matthew Paradise
  13. ^ "Jack Salts". legacy.com. Retrieved 25 October 2018.
  14. ^ "Jack Salts". sealtwo.org. Retrieved 25 October 2018.
  15. ^ "Navy identifies SEAL killed in accident". hamptonroads.com. Retrieved 22 May 2012.
  16. ^ "6th Anniversary Ceremony Honoring Those Lost In Operation Red Wings". Navy.mil. Retrieved 21 Feb 2015.
  17. ^ "VMI Leaders in Residence". Retrieved 17 March 2015.
  18. ^ "Cadets Receive the Commandant's Trophy from Marine Corps Gen. Leonard Chapman, 1968". Retrieved 8 February 2015.
  19. ^ "Navy SEAL coming to Chattanooga to discuss his role as a warrior for the U.S. and Christ". timesfreepress.com. 3 September 2016. Retrieved 19 February 2018.
  20. ^ "Chad Williams is a former U.S. Navy SEAL, author of SEAL of God and Keynote Speaker". Retrieved 19 February 2018.[self-published source?]

Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods

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I thought this was already pretty clear. These two guys already have sections on this page: American fatalities and injuries of the 2012 Benghazi attack. That obviously means they are notable enough and the links I placed take you directly to their part of that page. I also thought that was enough because I did not want to go through making an article for both of these guys (even though they should have one) because I don't have an account anymore and I don't want one. Im just a casual editor. I don't know if I can create an article without an account, but if somebody will let me know if I can then I will create articles for these guys. Or if somebody else wants to do it. It wouldn't take much. However if you put my edits back, when someone finally creates an article for them then those links should go to their articles. Right now those links take you to the article I linked above.2600:6C54:7E00:C2:F93C:DF83:1FA1:E59F (talk) 00:46, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See the lead. It says that this is a list of notable people. That means that this list follows WP:CSC, bullet one. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:56, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
These two entries meet the criteria in WP:CSC bullet one. Again, check my link above.2600:6C54:7E00:C2:31E6:82B3:280D:C3BA (talk) 01:07, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
IP, you are not quite correct. Certainly they and their involvement in Benghazi is WP:NOTEWORTHY. That's why they are mentioned in 2012 Benghazi attack. (And they are notable enough to have their own WP stand-alone articles. E.g., once we get a WP editor to write the articles.) So why set-up a different Benghazi-related article which simply recaps info about the KIAs? I do not think such an article is justified. Consider Battle of Mogadishu (1993)#Known casualties and losses. That was one big, huge on-the-ground-and-air mess! But Wikipedia has done a good job in describing it. Wikipedia does not need a "American fatalities and injuries of the Battle of Mogadishu" article. What to do here? Merge the Benghazi casualty list article into the basic attack article. And setup 2 new articles for the CIA casualties. At that point our CIA-casualties can be listed in this SEAL article. – S. Rich (talk) 04:18, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Just noticed this thread. Glen Doherty and Tyrone S. Woods have been added to the list. - wolf 05:10, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, just to clear, I had already added Doherty, before seeing this thread. His name was blue-linked among a list of red-linked names posted above. It was only because I noticed the middle initial was missing from Woods red-linked name, which then became blue after I included it. I then added him to the list as well, seeing the same reasoning applying as with Doherty. But for some reason, my addition of Woods was abruptly reverted by Jonesey95 and I was accused of being "disruptive". (wtf?!) I've seen Jonesey editing this project for awhile, and this is... surprising, I expected better. Amyway, I don't see why these names can't be included. This seems like a waste of time. - wolf 06:15, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I was not in doubt adding these 2 entries which is why I did not initially bring it up here, which I now see is what I should have done. I hope everyone can understand my situation though. These 2 guys obviously meet notability requirements. Im glad we can all agree on that. The kind of middle ground area I found myself in is that these 2 guy's names did not get red linked. However they also do not have their own independent pages. I mean, I think there is more info about these 2 guys on WP than there is about Harry Beal. Anyway, as I stated on your talk page rich, wouldn't it make sense to add them now (since they are not red linked) and then when someone creates pages for these guys, the links should take them to the proper page?2600:6C54:7E00:C2:31E6:82B3:280D:C3BA (talk) 11:57, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Draft space is available for the creation of new articles, even by unregistered editors. If these two people are as notable as claimed, it should be straightforward to create two draft articles and get them moved to article space. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:44, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
According to this they are notable enough for their own pages jonesey: [1].
2600:6C54:7E00:C2:31E6:82B3:280D:C3BA (talk) 11:53, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
OK. Click on these and start writing if you want articles to exist: Draft:Glen A. Doherty and Draft:Tyrone S. Woods. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:14, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Never mind. I just read an invisible comment on the 2012 Benghazi attack fatalities page that said it was voted upon to merge those 2 individuals with that page.2600:6C54:7E00:C2:6535:5B59:5F62:A473 (talk) 20:08, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Article history excerpts for potential article creation

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Here are the two entries for these people who thus far, ten years after their deaths, do not have WP articles.

If articles are created for them, they can be re-added to the list. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:42, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please do create the articles. Please do. – S. Rich (talk) 14:11, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Glen A. Doherty - CIA". www.cia.gov. Retrieved 2022-12-07.
  2. ^ "Tyrone S. Woods - CIA". www.cia.gov. Retrieved 2022-12-07.

Matt Bissonnette

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If anyone wants to create a page for this guy: Matt Bissonnette (author) – Author of No Easy Day. Bissonnette writes that he participated in Operation Neptune Spear and was present in the third floor room of the compound when the terrorist leader was killed.2600:6C54:7E00:C2:31E6:82B3:280D:C3BA (talk) 14:52, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Matt Bissonnette (author) is ready and waiting for you. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:46, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. 2600:6C54:7E00:C2:31E6:82B3:280D:C3BA (talk) 15:54, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

List of Seal Team Admiral rank

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Wikipedia has a list that displays previous seals attaining the rank of FLAG. Cathal "Irish" Flynn is not included. Is this due to the fact that he transitioned from EOD/UDT? Very Respectfully, Marty Herbst Capt. USN (Ret) ONI 173.66.139.247 (talk) 23:07, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what list you're referring to, but it's not this. If you could provide a link to the page, or even just the page title, that would help. Meanwhile this list only has SEALs that are confirmed as such by a reliable source. UDTs are included as they're condidered SEALs. If you could provide one for Flynn, we could go from there and see about getting him included on this list. - wolf 17:07, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]