Talk:List of fossil primates of South America
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Taxonomy
[edit]Looks like the table is outdated with the current platyrrhine family structure. I plan to update it to fit with the current understanding of the families, even if that is a change from how Fossilworks lists things. - UtherSRG (talk) 23:27, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
- As Mr.Fink said on talk:Insulacebus, "Fossilworks is a garbage scow, not a buffet". So the table here is full of outdated or just incorrect taxonomies. I was going to start from the top and examine each line, correcting as I go, but that very quickly became problematic. So instead, I'm going to outline the taxonomy as presented in the table here, as best I can, then add comments on what changes to make, probably post a revised taxonomy that aligns with the family/genus/species articles, then finally update the table. Wish me luck! :) - UtherSRG (talk) 11:29, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
Current table taxonomy
[edit]- Family "incertae sedis"
- Genus Perupithecus
- Genus Canaanimico - according to the article, this may belong to Homunculidae/Soriacebinae, but that's uncertain. See notes for Homunculinae below.
- Genus Branisella - according to the article, this belongs in Cebidae/Branisellinae, but this may be uncertain
- Genus Szalatavus - synonymous with Branisella[1]
- Genus Chilecebus - according to the article, this belongs in Cebidae
- Genus Mohanamico - according to the article, this belongs in Pitheciidae/Pitheciinae, but could be Cebidae[1]
- Family Pitheciidae
- Subfamily Pitheciinae
- Genus Mazzonicebus
- Genus Soriacebus - Cebidae per Rosenberger[1]
- Genus Proteropithecia - Cebidae per Rosenberger[1]
- Genus Cebupithecia
- Genus Nuciruptor
- Subfamily Callicebinae - all three of these are correct, though listed as Callicebinae/Xenotrichini
- Subfamily Aotinae - this subfamily has been elevated to a family
- Genus Aotus
- Genus Tremacebus - article indicates Atelidae, but later phylogeny says Cebidae[1]
- Subfamily Homunculinae - This subfamily (and subfamily Homunculidae) seem to no longer be used.
- Genus Homunculus - Article says Pitheciidae/Pitheciinae
- Genus Carlocebus - Cebidae[1]
- Genus Miocallicebus - Article states Pitheciidae/Callicebinae
- Subfamily Pitheciinae
- Family Aotidae
- Tribe Aotini - This seems to be a holdover from an older taxonomy
- Genus Insulacebus - sister to Aotus
- Tribe Aotini - This seems to be a holdover from an older taxonomy
- Family Cebidae
- Subfamily Cebinae
- Genus Panamacebus - according to the article, just Cebidae
- Genus Dolichocebus - Rosenberger says just Cebidae[1]
- Genus Killikaike - now just a synonym of Homunculus
- Genus Saimiri - Cebidae/Saimirinae
- Genus Patasola - article states Callitrichidae, Rosenberger says Cebidae
- Genus Acrecebus - correct per article
- Subfamily Callitrichinae - has been elevated to a family
- Genus Lagonimico - article taxobox has Pitheciidae/Callicebinae, but article only mentions Callitrichinae. Rosenberger says Cebidae[1]
- Genus Micodon - correct per article
- Micodon kyotensis - article says kiotensis
- Subfamily Cebinae
- Family Atelidae
- Subfamily Alouattinae
- Genus Stirtonia - Atelidae/Atelinae per article & Rosenberger
- Genus Solimoea - article taxobox says Atelidae/Atelinae, but article discusses how it is probably Atelidae/Alouattinae
- Genus Cartelles - article agrees
- Genus Caipora - article states Atelidae/Atelinae
- Genus Protopithecus - article states Atelidae/Atelinae
- Genus Alouatta
- Subfamily Alouattinae
References
Thoughts
[edit]We should update so that the table reflects what is in the articles, but we should also update the articles that are out of date. Rosenberger 2002 is also outdated, but it is more recent than some of the current table data. Where nothing better is known, we should at least update to Rosenberger. I'll let this all sit here a bit, and may ping on some of the editors of these articles. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:05, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
Actually, it looks like Silvestro et al., 2017 Table S4 and Figure S7 have the most up to date listing, although we'd still need to massage their three family system (Cebidae, Atelidae, Pitheciidae) into our five family system (add Aotidae and Callitrichidae) - but that's trivial. We can chuck out Rosenberger.
Data from S4 (with Silvestro -> Wikipedia familes/subfamilies/etc):
- Incertae sedis: Branisella, Canaanimico, Chilecebus, Lagonimico, Mohanamico, Szalatavus, Perupithecus
- Atelidae/Alouattinae: Cartelles, Paralouatta, Solimoea, Stirtonia
- Atelidae/Atelinae: Caipora
- Cebidae/Cebinae: Acrecebus (stem Cebus), Dolichocebus, Killikaike, Saimiri (or Laventiana) annectens & Saimiri (or Neosaimiri) fieldsi (both stem Saimiri, so move to Saimirinae), Panamacebus & Patasola listed after Saimiri so also move to Saimirinae?
- Cebidae/Callitrichinae -> Callitrichidae: Micodon
- Pitheciidae/Aotinae -> Aotidae: Aotus, Tremacebus
- Pitheciidae/Homunculinae -> Pitheciidae/Pitheciinae/?Homunculini: Carlocebus, Homunculus, Miocallicebus
- Pitheciidae/Pitheciinae: Mazzonicebus, Soriacebus, Proteropithecia, Cebupithecia, Nuciruptor
- Pitheciidae: Antillothrix, Xenothrix, Insulacebus
Data from S7 (with Wikipedia taxonomy only):
- Incertae sedis: Branisella, Canaanimico, Lagonimico, Szalatavus, Perupithecus
- Atelidae/Alouattinae: Cartelles, Paralouatta, Stirtonia
- Atelidae/Atelinae: Caipora, Solimoea
- Atelidae: Chilecebus, Mohanamico
- Aotidae: Aotus, Tremacebus
- Callitrichidae: Micodon
- Cebidae/Cebinae: Acrecebus, Killikaike
- Cebidae/Saimirinae: Laventiana, Neosaimiri, Patasola, Dolichocebus
- Cebidae: Panamacebus
- Pitheciidae/Pitheciinae: Proteropithecia, Cebupithecia, Soriacebus, Nuciruptor, Mazzonicebus
- Pitheciidae (sister to Pitheciinae, or include in Pitheciinae?): Insulacebus, Xenothrix, Antillothrix
- Pitheciidae/Callicebinae: Miocallicebus (nestled within Callicebus), Carlocebus, Homunculus
However, S7 shows some potential changes to our understandings of the relationships of the NWM familes, with the following family relationships: (Pitheciidae, (Atelidae, (Cebidae, (Callitrichidae, Aotidae))))
Of the "incertae sedis"" taxa, we can see this:
- Branisella is sister to the non-Pitheciidae side of the tree.
- The other four genera have this relationship: (Perupithecus, (Szalatavus, (Lagonimico, (Canaanmico, NWM tree above))))
Whew! That was a lot to summarize. Yay me! :D - UtherSRG (talk) 16:36, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
Proposed changes
[edit]Here are my proposed changes, both to this article and to the individual articles. I propose this with caution as it is based only on my read of Silvestro et al., 2017[1] above. I welcome input, critiques, and support, and will put notes on the talk pages of all the articles I propose touching.
- Canaanimico - add a note that this is likely the closest sister to all of the extant NWMs. Add support to the "incertae sedis" placement.
- Branisella - add a note that it is likely the sister of all the non-pitheciids. Add support for the "incertae sedis" placement.
- Chilecebus - change parent to Atelidae and note that it is sister to all atelids
- Mohanamico - change parent to Atelidae, as next closest known atelid
- Paralouatta - change parent to Alouattinae
- Solimoea - add note of support for Atelidae/Atelinae placement
- Aotus dindensis - change parent to Aotidae
- Tremacebus - change parent to Aotidae
- Micodon - sister to Leontopithecus so change parent to Callitrichidae
- Acrecebus - note sister to Cebus
- Killikaike - resurrect the article as not a synonym to Homunculus, change parent to Cebinae
- Saimiri annectens & Saimiri fieldsi note support to retain genera Laventiana and Neosaimiri respectively.
- Patasola - change parent to Saimirinae
- Dolichocebus - change parent to Saimirinae
- Panamacebus - change parent to Cebidae, note that it is sister to rest of the family
- Insulacebus, Xenothrix, Antillothrix - Four options:
- change parent to Pitheciinae and note these three combined are sister to the rest of Pitheciinae
- change parent to Pitheciidae and note these three combined are sister to Pitheciinae
- change parent to Xenotrichini under Pitheciinae
- change parent to Xenotrichinae under Pitheciidae
- Miocallicebus - parent is correct, but note placement nestled within Callicebus - and notes on that genus article, too.
- Homunculus - split off Killikaike as above, what remains at Homunculus gets parented to Callicebinae
I haven't decided on the Saimiri sp changes, nor the Xenothrix clade changes. I'll wait on suggestions for those. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:36, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ Silvestro, Daniele; Tejedor, Marcelo F.; Serrano Serrano, Martha L.; Loiseau, Oriane; Rossier, Victor; Rolland, Jonathan; Zizka, Alexander; Antonelli, Alexandre; Salamin, Nicolas (2017). "Evolutionary history of New World monkeys revealed by molecular and fossil data" (PDF). BioRxiv: 1–32. Retrieved 2017-09-24.
Done?
[edit]Ok, I think I've updated everything. I left the Saimiri species in that genus. In the listing, I put the Xenotrichini genera at Pitheciinae, but put the tribe in that subfamily for the taxoboxes. I'm sure there is some cleanup to be done, but maybe I got it all? - UtherSRG (talk) 14:23, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
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