Talk:List of grade milestones in rock climbing
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 | Ascents which are the first at a given grade for a country, but not for the world, will be removed (the article converts grading systems between countries to get the global consensus first). Ascents whose attribution is linked to blogs, unverified personal opinions, and low-grade sources will be removed. Multiple ascents—but no more than four—will be kept for the very highest grades, and particularly bouldering grades, as the consensus on a grade can change materially over time, and thus the ascent which was the first (or second) can change (a lot). Use is made in this article of important articles/databases that seek to establish a definitive list of firsts, and while they are not perfect (because grade consensus changes), strong deviations from these sources must be strongly verified. |
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Sleeping Lion
[edit]An IP keeps adding "Sleeping Lion" to the 9b+ section even though it is not one of the first four 9b+ routes in history (and not even the fifth or sixth or seventh, but is probably roughly the 10th 9b+ route in history. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:37, 15 December 2023 (UTC)