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Reliable sourcing, and adding information not in the cited sources

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The last several days, there have been a number of attempts to add unsourced information to the page, leaving an existing source in place as if it supported that new information. These include:

  • Adding the claim that "New York State of Mind" will be in episode one, or is the Barbra Streisand cover rather than the Billy Joel original. The source we have states the following:
  • That the song, sung by Rachel and Marley, will be "in one of the season’s first few episodes". (Not the first episode, one of the first few.)
  • That it's the Billy Joel song.
  • That's all we know.
  • Adding the claim that "Everybody Wants to Rule the World" will be in episode 3. The Vulture article sourced for this song does not state the episode at all. No guessing allowed.
  • "Don't Speak". This is based on a short video snippet taken by a fan at the NYC location shoot, where a bit of the pre-recorded song and some movement is picked up. Perez writes "we don't know really anymore than what we can see and hear from this video (above) taken earlier this month", and since we don't know the provenance of said video, it's not a reliable source.

Remember that for Wikipedia articles, it is not okay to draw logical conclusions from a couple of pieces of data: experience shows that logic fails quite a bit of the time. For example, people want to combine the bit about Rachel singing a Streisand song in the opening with "New York State of Mind". Please don't. Remember, Wikipedia is not a news site: it's not about getting it first and rumored, it's about getting a source from reliable media—fan sites are not eligible—and using only what is said there.

All such sites are not created equal, and some of their information is not as reliable as others. Previews, even from Fox, do not necessarily reflect the final scene: remember the Klaine box scene, the Warblers singing "I Want You Back", Santana's "Santa Baby", or Young Sue Sylvester's "Oklahoma" scene? These were shown in previews and/or Fox publicity, but were cut from the episode as broadcast. A two-second snippet is no guarantee it will eventually happen. A fan movie from Central Park is definitely no guarantee, even if it's rebroadcast at Perez Hilton. Despite that, people are running with the movie, inferring the episode number, that Blaine's the only singer for the entire number, that it's just that song and not mashed up, etc. Until there's more information than this, the song and other information should not appear here.

Please also remember that fan sites, including tumblrs, wikias, blogs, and fan twitter accounts, are not considered reliable sources. Also, material from good sources, with info such as who is singing what, which version of a song is being performed, and in which episode something appears, must always have a citation for where you found it. Wikipedia relies on its sourcing. Secondary sources are best, though reliable primary sources can be used in some cases.

Thanks for your contributions. Just remember, it isn't about being first, it's about accuracy and verifiability. Good sourcing is the best way to ensure both. If something you added disappears, check the edit summary; it should explain why the material was removed. (And please do use edit summaries yourself!) BlueMoonset (talk) 02:25, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Would episode content be considered as a verified source? What if there will be no "verifiable source" (as you've mentioned) and the song IS played on the episode? Please clarify. Tyteen4a03 (talk) 06:49, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If the song is performed on the episode as broadcast—not as background music, but performed by someone in the cast—then there will invariably be a verifiable source. Within hours of broadcast, reviews are published by reliable sources with information about the songs. There's usually some information about them prior to broadcast, such as at gleethemusic.com, but that's title and original artist at best; the performers frequently have to wait for reviews unless other reliable sources are given previews. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:55, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Britney mash-ups!

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http://www.breatheheavy.com/2012/09/glee-surprise-britney-mashups — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.128.65.91 (talk) 17:53, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

We really need a more reliable source than this (see WP:RS for rules about sourcing), but the Spears/Bieber mashup was confirmed last night by the Glee cast themselves. If a good source for the Crazy mashup shows up, we'll include it here, but we just can't use fan sites or tumblrs. Sorry! BlueMoonset (talk) 23:54, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I found out it was a fansite after I posted. :) 24.128.65.91 (talk) 16:20, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Source for Wade in Call Me Maybe?

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All the sources have only identified Blaine, Tina and Brittany with New Directions singing on the song. Unless you have a reliable source that points out that Wade is also singing, don't add it. - Jasonbres (talk) 22:15, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lesley Goldberg of The Hollywood Reporter states that he does after hearing last night's five-song preview—"Lastly, McHale introduced "Call Me Maybe," which featured standout vocals from Alex Glee Project season one winner Alex Newell (Unique) and Criss." (link to article)—yet Emily Rome of Entertainment Weekly doesn't mention anyone in particular, merely saying "sung by an ensemble of Glee cast members". But Rome isn't a regular reviewer, while Goldberg is. I'd have to give Goldberg's report a certain amount of credence: Alex's voice is rather distinctive. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:02, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 28 January 2013

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performers of the song "love song" and "torn" confirmed. Request for removal and edit of TBA in said field Nathanie0221 (talk) 06:22, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —KuyaBriBriTalk 22:00, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 30 January 2013

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"A Great New World" should be "A Great Big World" 173.75.216.17 (talk) 01:53, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done --Jnorton7558 (talk) 04:51, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Santana's Trouty Mouth in 4x12

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Is there any reason why Santana's brief reprise of Trouty Mouth isn't currently listed? Is it due to the lack of a source (I haven't looked for one yet, but I'm sure one of the professionally published episode reviews must mention it) or was it simply because it wasn't "significant" enough to warrant inclusion? I know it's only 2 bars, but technically, she's singing part of it. --LeoChris (talk) 22:51, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request

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Add This : "More Than Words" by " Extreame " performed by : Sam Evans & Brittany S.Pearce "Your Song" By "Elton John" performed by : "Ryder Lynn" "Say" By "John Mayer" Performed by : New Directions


Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  TOW  talk  20:48, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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