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The link to Lothair's consort, Waldrada, takes the reader to a Waldrada who lived in the 6th century. Since Lothair II lived in the 9th century, I have to assume that this is not the same Waldrada. The link should be removed.

Chickadeebro (talk) 18:58, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As things now stand, Waldrada (concubine of Lothair II) redirects to this page. I see that the lack of a page for the woman herself has attracted some attention from a historian of the period, and there's clearly a good case for her having her own entry: http://turbulentpriests.group.shef.ac.uk/the-erased-history-of-queen-waldrada/. Alarichall (talk) 17:38, 19 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Page moved. Convincing case for WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and that the disambiguation was both unnecessary and awkward enough to warrant an exception from WP:NCROY. -- Hadal (talk) 04:36, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]



Lothair II of LotharingiaLothair II — So long as it redirects here, there is no point in the awkward disambiguation. Srnec (talk) 19:55, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

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Comment I feel I should point out that the whole issue of pre-emptive disambiguation of monarchs has been chewed over at considerable length, but the consensus seems to be that we should keep it in the absence of some good reason to the contrary. See some discussions on the talk page at WP:NCROY. Some of us are well aware that this policy may conflict with the policy of using the common name. PatGallacher (talk) 18:02, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I called the current title awkward because (a) no other king is disambiguated by "of Lotharingia" because none need to be, (b) plenty of Lothair's contemporaries and relatives are not preemptively disambiguated and (c) the term Lotharingia comes from this guy's name, thus making the title read like "Lothair II of his very own kingdom". Srnec (talk) 23:15, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There is more than one Lothair II though, Lothair II (disambiguation). 65.94.44.141 (talk) 14:24, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I am well aware of that, but this is the primary topic, as the existing redirect shows. Srnec (talk) 04:14, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Lothair => Lothar?

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In English-language history writing, Lothar II (and Lothar I) are almost always spelled thus, without the inserted 'i' in Lothair. This spelling is I think a hangover from the original Encyclopedia Britannica entry. Would it be feasible to change the article title? Charleslincolnshire (talk) 12:43, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]