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Overview

This matl should be merged into the other paras--Light current 00:38, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Run Joe"

I am removing this text:

A gambling operation is described as follows

Moe and Joe had a candy store, selling fortunes behind the door

I think it is based on a misunderstanding, as the lyrics are telling fortunes. Later in the song, Hide de crystal ball by de fence. This seems a direct description of a fortune teller, not an allusion to a gambling establishment. Of course, I may have misunderstood; if there is a reliable source for the other meaning, by all means include it (source and text). Notinasnaid 12:15, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

GA Re-Review and In-line citations

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Tom and Jerry version of Is you is...

I'm not certain that the Tom and Jerry version of Is you or is you ain't my baby was by Jordan; I, rather sadly, recorded the Tom & Jerry version and it's different from the version released by Louis Jordan - according to the Wikipedia entry for the episode in question (Solid Serenade) it may well have been sung by Fred Quimby; the T+J producer.--Apepper 13:46, 10 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good article Review of GA status

This article is being reviewed at WP:GA/R for possible delisting of its Good article status. Teemu08 21:34, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Positioning of the List of Hit Singles

The text and formatting for the List of Hit Singles (and the section title) appear in the middle of the editable text, but on the actual article page they display at the very bottom of the page, below the references, links and categories. I didn't have a clue how to fix this, does anyone else? InnocuousPseudonym 07:04, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good Article review

In a 2 to 0 vote, this article has been delisted, primarily for not being well-referenced and POV concerns. Dispute archived here: Wikipedia:Good article review/Archive 14. Homestarmy 20:42, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unreferenced and Not NPOV

This sentence in the Decline of Popularity section seems to violate NPOV as it appears to make a judgment and to take a person's claim as fact: "However, Jordan was also apparently not above taking credit for songs written by others - Jordan is credited as the co-writer of 'Saturday Night Fish Fry,' but Tympany Five pianist Bill Doggett later claimed that in fact he had written the song." Also there is no reference as to where this statement may be found to begin with. -Anon

Mafia (game)

Do we need to include info, that Louis Jordan's song "You'll run your mouth and I'll run my business, brother" was in game "Mafia: The City of Lost Heaven" soundtrack? --Nagash —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.218.46.111 (talk) 10:12, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Discog

Where is it? 76.17.208.91 (talk) 18:50, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Family?

For a man who has been married five times, I'm surprised not to see any mention of having children. Did Jordan have any sons or daughters? If so, did they go into music as well? Newjerseyliz (talk) 17:45, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Unsourced claims re Billboard, popularity, success etc of Jordan and other artists

I flagged various dubious and unsourced claims (found near the top of this article) about Billboard magazine's rankings, lists, and methodology. What list of "most successful all time black recording artists" is referred to? (I can find no such list referred to on the Internet.) What charts and what methodology of Billboard's are being consulted, and where are these to be found? Also there is the dubious claim that Ellington and Basie were more "popular and successful" than Jordan (which I doubt), yet there is no evidence of Jordan's high rank either. Above all the problem is an utter lack of references to any such claims, lists and rankings. I actually think all these claims should be removed unless they are sourced, but am restraining myself for now.David Couch (talk) 06:20, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that sources need to be provided for the claims - in the main article text, not the lead - but there is no reasonable doubt that Jordan was immensely popular, especially among African American audiences, particularly between about 1942 and 1950, a period when he had 18 #1 hits on the Billboard "Race Records" / R&B chart. According to Joel Whitburn's points-based analysis of chart placings, that success placed him at #5 among all artists over the period 1942-95 covered in my edition of his R&B charts book. I will add that source, but other sources (online or offline) need to be found for the other claims. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:40, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

PS: On balance, I don't see a source for the claims made in relation to Ellington and Basie, so I've removed that sentence. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:54, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Whitburn ranks Jordan #1 in The Top 20 [R&B] Artists by Decade – The Forties by a wide margin. Although the 1940s were his golden era, in the 1988 overall rankings, Jordan still did surprisingly well: Most Top 10 Hits – #2 , Most #1 Hits – #3 , Most Weeks at #1 Position – #1, but Most Charted Records – #12. He deserves the recognition. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:15, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

note 6 is bad

It goes to a Billboard page that has nothing to do with Louis Jordan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.140.183.54 (talk) 21:06, 27 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've corrected it - same issue, different page. Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:11, 27 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Outskirts

Wow. This edit corrects an obvious mistake, the name of Jordan's first charting single, that's been in this article since 2006! --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 21:54, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No. The title of his first charting single was "I'm Gonna Leave You On The Outskirts Of Town" - image here. Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:29, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And guess what, here it is (Provided to YouTube by Universal Music Group). Martinevans123 (talk) 22:42, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Perhaps the article about it might mention that detail; it's clearly the same song (the record is credited to Weldon and Jordan). --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 00:24, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This article's not great, and the one on "We Gonna Move to the Outskirts of Town" is worse. I've tweaked them a little as a temporary improvement. Ghmyrtle (talk) 06:11, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

PS: Sigh... this gets more complicated. Jordan recorded "I'm Gonna Move to the Outskirts of Town" on November 22, 1941, and it was released on Decca 8593. The writing was credited to (Casey Bill) Weldon. At the time it was released, the R&B chart did not exist. Then, on July 21, 1942, Jordan recorded "I'm Gonna Leave You On The Outskirts Of Town" - Decca 8638, with the writing credited to Jordan and Weldon. It was that second version that became Jordan's first chart hit, in the first published "Harlem Hit Parade" chart in October 1942. I'll make some further tweaks to the articles. Ghmyrtle (talk) 06:43, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And guess what, here it is (Provided to YouTube by Universal Music Group). (Except there's another version, posted by RedDevil Records, with a sax solo, from "W W II Era Classics, Vol. 1", marked as Decca-8593, that sounds like a completely different arrangement....?) Martinevans123 (talk) 09:00, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jordan as a rock 'n' roll performer

Hello RockabillyRaccoon: Jordan is widely acknowledged for popularizing a style of music that influenced rock and roll. However, he is not generally recognized as a rock and roll musician:

Although his sound was the chief model for the R&B combo style, as well as the rock 'n' roll of Bill Haley and Chuck Berry, his music—rustic lyrics notwithstanding—was too jazzy and sophisticated to suit the preogressively coarsening tastes of rhythm-and-blues fans. Jordan's arrangements were tight and swinging, his bluesy alto saxophone was sleekly expressive, and his voice exuded personality and charm ... Although many of his records crossed over to the pop market, Jordan ... could not remake himself into a a pop singer. By the time he jumped on the rock bandwagon with [two mid-1950s records], his time had passed. [Birnbaum (2013), p. 244.]

Perhaps because his new record company dropped him due to poor sales, Jordan abandoned his attempt. He later expressed his dislike of rock 'n' roll and commented "A lot of companies have asked me to record, but they insisted that I go into rock 'n' roll, and I didn't want to change my style" [Koch (2014), Ch. 10, 12].

So, although he made a brief stab at rock 'n' roll (and only briefly mentioned in the article), it does not appear to be significant enough for inclusion as a genre in the infobox.

—Ojorojo (talk) 15:44, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

authorship question

However, Jordan may have taken credit for some songs written by others—he is credited as the co-writer of "Saturday Night Fish Fry", but the Tympany Five pianist Bill Doggett claimed he wrote it. Wouldn't this be better expressed, if at all, as "Tympany Five pianist claimed credit for ... Fish Fry"? The way it's phrased, it suggests Jordan may have had a habit of taking undue credit, while (at least as presented here) we have exactly one such claim. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 14:51, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]