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Reviewer: Shyamal (talk · contribs) 11:33, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]


I will review this over time. On a quick browse I found the language to be rather teleological and often using verbs of intent that might need to be addressed. More later. Shyamal (talk) 11:33, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for taking it on. Briefly, I do not see any problem with teleological language in biology as long as it's obviously about and a shorthand for evolution by natural selection, which it is in the article. Happy to give a longer reply. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:16, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It is certainly obvious between biologists but can be risky with some audiences (esp. ID folks) especially in the lead - I personally would rather prefer "participate" (in quotes) or even better "...are involved" (without quotes). I think avoiding it where avoidable seems like a better guidance. Your teleology article is nice. Shyamal (talk) 12:36, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
There's certainly no need to start those folks running, I agree. Let's play it quietly. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:21, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think "advergence" is a new word that is not found in standard dictionaries - it was apparently introduced in 1972 and perhaps needs a little more gentle introduction in the lead and a little more expansion in the main body on how it differs from convergence. I do not yet know the difference as I am unable to locate the full text of the 1972 paper. Shyamal (talk) 12:00, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Added a gloss, and it's immediately contrasted with convergence to make the meaning clear. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:16, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "...some 65 species participate" - there are 3000 species of mutillids, this is obviously picked out of a specific study with context lost here. "participate" - another example of teleological language. Shyamal (talk) 12:02, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I've reworded it, but "participate" does not imply conscious decision, it just means take part in. See above. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:35, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • The assumption of predation of a fixed "n" may also need to be highlighted.
Added mention and ref.
  • I think there needs to be a careful link to functional response (Let me know if you want doi:10.4039/entm9745fv).
Seems to fit in quite nicely with the existing mention of inadequacy of step functions. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:46, 31 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I'd seen it and wondered. OK, added a section. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:02, 31 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Pitohuis added.
Flowers added. And mammals, now there's a juicy research area.
Added. Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:55, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Wickler, Wolfgang (1998). "Mimicry". Encyclopædia Britannica. 24 (15th ed.). pp. 144–151." is a dead link
Removed link. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:59, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the work on this article. I believe it now passes the GA criteria. And oh, wish you a very happy new year! Shyamal (talk) 03:20, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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    Many thanks for the review, as always. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:28, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]