Talk:Indonesian-Malaysian orthography reform of 1972

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On 1 October 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Joint Rumi Spelling to Malaysian orthography. The result of the discussion was moved.

On 10 October 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Malaysian orthography to Indonesian-Malaysian orthography reform of 1972. The result of the discussion was moved.

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Move discussion in progress

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Requested move 10 October 2023

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The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 10:27, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Malaysian orthography → Indonesian-Malaysian orthography reform of 1972 – This article makes no sense at the current title, it is explicitly about the joint spelling reform, not about Malaysia. As "Joint Rumi Spelling" is undesirable, I suggest the proposed event title brought up at Talk:Indonesian orthography#Requested move 1 October 2023. CMD (talk) 09:56, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support despite me nominating the current name, I think after reviewing the contents of the article again that you are right. But, should there not be an article describing the orthography of Malaysian Malay as well? Most official languages of countries have such an article.

Dan Carkner (talk) 01:37, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps with some expansion, but at the moment I don't think a reader will get much more out of that than is already present on this article, Malay orthography, and Indonesian orthography. CMD (talk) 02:16, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Why does Indonesian use Y for [j] instead of J when it has been influenced by Dutch?

In Dutch, every word with J is pronounced like the Y in "yet"? Indonesian used to use J for "Y" and Dj for "j" but then started using J for "dj" sounds and Y to substitute J for [j]. Why is that? Uiquiuzer45 (talk) 04:24, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Short answer is because the reforms described in the article were also influenced by international alphabets and in particular English via Malaysia who were co-developing the reform. But this talk page is more for working in the article itself and not discussing the topic; you could try to find some more in-depth sources that may address it for you elsewhere. Dan Carkner (talk) 21:03, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]