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It does not seem an objective article. All the information has been taken from the Maraska website. It looks like an ads. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 151.44.55.66 (talk • contribs) 12:27, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

That and a copyright violation; good catch! However biased the information is, though, some of it might be useful if it can be verified. So, for future reference, here's the company page:

http://www.maraska.hr/engleski/e_maraschino.html

Melchoir 05:30, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Croatia is a young country, and Croatians are keen in taking any small opportunity to create their history from scrap (including Marco Polo that is in their eyes Croatian, feel free to check on their Wikipedia). This is very sad indeed. --Silvio1973 (talk) 07:03, 29 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Maraschino has its origin in Ravni Kotari around Zadar called simply "Cherry", which was made by village people for centuries and still is. Why it's written in the text that it belongs to Italian Dalmatia or Venetian Zadar. Neither Venetians neither Italians were working agriculture in Dalmatia ever at all!83.131.157.161 09:48, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge proposals

I'm fine with a merge between Maraschino and Marasca cherry, since A is made from B and B is best known for A. I still oppose a merger of either of these articles with Maraschino cherry. Melchoir 21:46, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't merge Maraschino and Marasca cherry; one is booze, the other fruit. Yes, Maraschino cherry is separate. Ghosts&empties 21:56, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Alcohol content?

What ABV is average for such a beverage? I think this would be a useful piece of info for this page. I will google it up tomorrow if noone knows offhand. 24.13.179.140 (talk) 05:36, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Unfair and unnecessary

Giovanni Giove, whatever problem or hatred you have for Croatia, leave it out of Wikipedia. You first refused to even allow Croatia to be mentioned, you wanted it to Dalmatia, then after you realized you would never win that fight, you tried a number of different ways to twist the words around to make Zadar look as if it did not belong in Croatia.

Now, let me tell you this in plain English--the STANDARD way for listing cities is with the country it belongs to following it. If everyone followed your way of doing it, we would have to constantly be putting things like,, Gospic, Lika, in Croatia; Osijek, Slavonia, in Croatia; Makarska, Dalmatia, in Croatia, which is silly, and explains why no one does it. We know Dalmatia is in Croatia and that Zadar is in Dalmatia. What is your insistence at constantly trying to squash Croatia's rights to articles? --Jesuislafete 16:41, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

blahblahblah. Stop with your personal attacks and geniric accuses. My interset for Croatia is neraly zero. Try to show that my edits are wrong, if you can. In the present my edits are perfect. Maraschino is a regional product of Dalmatia, and not of Croatia in general. I can not see any track of evil italian irridentism in this fact.--Giovanni Giove 20:43, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ah, got you there! we are talking about country products that come from regions, yet then, why did you remove Croatia in the earliest edits (the very first--you took Croatia out completely and put in Dalmatia). i like your edit now, Dalmatian city of Zadar in Croatia, so it looks good. i wonder whether i'll have to go back and take out all Croatian references and add the regions like Dalmatia, Slavonia, Lika, Zagorje, etc when talking about anything from Croatia, since according your edits, that is more important (no don't answer, i am being sarcastic). and if you choose to take anything as a personal attack, that is your problem--i couldn't care less because i have not attacked you in anyway. and if that is the best you can come up with, then good luck in life, mate. --Jesuislafete 01:12, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maraschino Zadarski

This is just an example how Italian irrendentists and fascists appropriate not only territory but also Croatian tradition in Dalmatia.

Made of Maraska - Prunus Cerasus Marasca, fruit-tree brought to Zadar in ancient times from Middle Asia. This plant is the best growing in the areas of northern and central Dalmatia (from Zadar to Makarska) mainly in the continental lands, partly in the Dalmatian islands, thanks to temperate Meditteranean climate and specific kind of soil. Maraska fruits achieve the highest quality ONLY in this area! Marschino Zadarski (Maraschino di Zara) is not just an original product of Croatian Dalmatian area; it’s the symbol of economical wisdom, experience of several centuries and Dalmatian peasants’ assiduity and love for their lands. Recapture of authentic Zadar’s liquor was created and noted in peace and silence of Zadar’s Dominican monastery in the early 16th century, by the pharmacists of that monastery. It was named “Rosolj” (Ros solis – sun dew; rosa (Croatian) = dew, solis (Dalmatic) = sun). This noble liquor of fine taste and medical attributes was attainable only to privileged people in the beginning. Real prosperity of this delicious liquor was started in 1730. when botanist Bartul Ferrari from Bergamo (Italy) educated Josip Carceniga (Calceniga) - the owner of the café on the Gospodski Trg (present-day Narodni Trg) / Lords Square (present-day Public Square), how to make “Rosolio” (Rožolje). Appearance of manufacturing distilleries (Rota, Mola, Calcenigo) in 17th century enabled the propagation of this secret taste. Much later this liquor was named Maraschino and it brought the planetary reputation to Zadar, when Franjo Drioli (1738. – 1808.) raised the production of the liquor on industrial level. Drioli factory was established in 1768., Luxardo factory established in 1821. by R. Luxardo and Vlahov factory established in 1899. by R.Vlahov. These 3 factories were joined together into “Maraska Zadar” factory after 2nd world war. Maraska Zadar has improved a rich palette of various liquors, brandies, fruit syrups and juices and especially its brand - “Maraschino Zadarski”, still produced at present on the traditional recapture from the early 16th century, in the city where it has been originated – Zadar. [1]

Once again - it’s not Italian product of Italian Dalmatia!!! The creators were Croats – monks in the year of 15?? – there were no Italians in Zadar, except some Venetian politicians, administrators, tax collectors and soldiers – it’s quite surely - these people didn’t live in monasteries and didn’t think about fruit trees and liquor recaptures at that moment – their thoughts were rather how to control the enemy city in which streets they couldn’t even walk safely in the first centuries of ruling, their actions were evicting, persecuting of Zadar’s citizens and weakening of their cultural, political and economical prosperities. The original name of this liquor is ROSOLJ – combined of Croatian and Dalmatic words! Not Italian! Even the industrialists who took the advantage of this Croatian product in the beginning of industrial era were not all Italians! Vlahov was a Croat. Even the monarchy was not Italian. It was Austrian! Drioli’s etiquette had a note: LUXARDO – Maraschino di Zara (Austria)!!! Also important fact – “Rožolj” has been produced as an authentic drink by peasants (Croats of course) in many other parts of Dalmatia for centuries and it still is, in the peasants home manufactures. So an edit about Maraschino should be: authentic Croatian product which got the world reputation in Austrian Dalmatia.Zenanarh 14:59, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stop with tales, please. Read an good History book (maybe printend in U.K. or Germany). Best regards.--Giovanni Giove 15:27, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Have you read those books that you pointed to? Hardly. By the way Zadar is not in England, Germany or Italy. It is in Croatia and is the mostly settled by Croats from 10th century until present. The only period when Zadar was Italian city and Italians were the majority was 1920. - 1943. But that was fascism years of Italy. Am I wrong?

So why should the books written in English or German be more relevant for history of Zadar. 3 toms of history of Zadar were written in Croatian language (Povijest Zadra I,II,III) using the sources from Zadar's archives (placed in Zadar) as well as all the others. And it was written in Zadar! Italian history of Zadar published in 20th century has been written by Italian writers and many of them have never been in that city!Zenanarh 18:17, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rosolio?

From the descriptions of Rosolio that I can dig up (Hahnemann: Likörfabrikant (1785), Gaber: Liqueur-Fabrikation (1899), and several sources found on Google Books), the only thing they seem to have in common is the absence of any kind of cherry. Hahnemann gives two recepies by Demachy and Dejean (both with roses -- damascene rose is mentioned, jasmin, bitter orange flowers as main ingredients), and Gaber gives no flowers at all (nor cherries).

One source (Saintsbury: Notes on a Cellar-Book) does indicate that there is a plant 'ros solis', though the author claims that it was not an ingredient; other sources state it was (an account on destillation in Danzig), and that honey was another important ingredient. Finally, Bode (in Wines of Italy) describes Rosolio as attar of roses (i.e. rose oil; see wiki article) mixed with brandy and with honey as sweetener, and that from that this basic mixture several other were developed, retaining the name of rosolio, but containing less and less rose attar. There are also indications that the term may have become a synonym for liqueur in general: a catalogue from the Dublin international exhibition in 1865 mentions 'Rosolios of the following kinds: --- Bitter Almonds. --- Anisette. --- Alkhermes. --- Cedro. --- Coffee. --- Juniper. [...]'. There's is also an account to establish the medical properties of camphor in which a test subject took some camphor dissolved in 'rosolio a la canelle' (which I take to be made from cinnamon).

Thus, I would suggest that applying the term Rosolio to Maraschino, while not strictly incorrect, is misleading, as the term does not appears to apply only to Maraschino. Athulin (talk) 19:51, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nationality

Sorry Croatian guys, but this liquor was invented under the Venice empire.. Then, I would like to sugest it's origin is italian, and not croatian.. Moreover, it is called Maraschino and not Maraskino.. Atcold (talk) 14:21, 3 April 2011 (UTC)...but was made in Dalmatia (Croatia), so it's croatian, or dalmatian if you prefer.[reply]

Useless discussions

Here we make confusion between two things. 1. Zadar has never been - except a small period of 25 years - in Italy. This is a fact. 2. On the other hand, for over 1000 years a significat italian minority had been leaving in Dalmatia, including in Zadar. I don't know (indeed I think I do, but this is not the place to get into my opininions) why the Croatian storiography is so keen in removing / reducing / changing what is a fact of the history: the historical italian presence. It is also true that at least during the last 300 years this community had been a minority, but with a signficant influence in the arts, the culture and the industry.

It is also a fact that Maraschino was a trademark owned by the Luxardo family, indeed after a legal case the Yugoslavian (now Croatian) factory was forced to change the name from Maraschino to Maraska.

I have added a minor modification to the page, because I think it's worth to say that the Luxardo family was killed by the retaliation of the Tito troops and not by the aerial bombings (this is what the previous version was suggesting). This is also a fact that can be checked easily on the website of Luxardo (that I did not want to include to avoid advertisement to this company). --Silvio1973 (talk) 07:03, 29 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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To add to article

To add to article: why is the liqueur clear rather than red, if it is made from red cherries? 173.88.241.33 (talk) 03:16, 25 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Like any distilled spirit, it is colorless when it is distilled. Any color is added after distillation. If the distillers don't add coloring to it then it will be clear. It should say that in the article for liquor or distillation. Do we need to mention it here? -- Doctorx0079 (talk) 03:31, 25 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Puffery

My word, there's a lot of purple prose in this article. I found it hard to get to things like how it's made and how it's used, because I had to battle through content-free paeans to the guy that supposedly invented it.

I have no specific suggestions for improvement, other than (a) shorten the lede, (b) put some more key facts in the lede (like, maybe, a description of the product); and don't make this article any longer. Please. MrDemeanour (talk) 19:49, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]