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The text of these four mazurkas is taken, practically verbatim, with occasionally a slight twist & use of words from Robert Cummings' Mazurkas (4) for piano, Op. 17, CT. 60-63 published at:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=42:356716~T1

Instances:

Op. 17 N° 1:

"... features an attractive robust theme that has an aristocratic air about it -- " (Cummings)

vs

"It features an attractive, robust, yet lightly aristocratic theme.[1]" (Wikipedia)

Op. 17 N° 3:

"The main theme is lovely, but beset by a tendency to mire itself in its own suffocating beauty. The music aspires to brightness, it seems, but can only manage a grayish haze." (Cummings)

vs

"he main theme is emotional and moving, but beset by a tendency to mire itself in its own suffocating beauty. The music aspires to brightness, it seems, but can only manage a grayish haze.[1]" (Wikipedia)

Op. 17 N° 4:

"The last mazurka here, No. 13 in A minor, marked Lento, ma non troppo, is one of the composer's most touching creations. If the previous mazurka is dark and sad, this one is utterly despondent. It has beauty and moments of brightness, to be sure, but the main theme wallows in hopeless descent, wallows in bleakness. This is typical Chopin, though: his music so often seems to say life is sad and pathetic, but filled with beauty and vague hope. The middle section offers that dubious hope, but does not lead the music from the doldrums. The melancholic main theme returns and the close is beautiful but bleak, the listener held captive by Chopin's thematic and harmonic resourcefulness. This piece lasts about four or five minutes in a typical performance." (Cummings)

vs

"The last mazurka in the set is in 3/4 and is marked Lento, ma non troppo (Tempo:♩=152) and is one of the composer's most touching creations. This one is utterly despondent. It has beauty and moments of brightness, to be sure, but the main theme wallows in hopeless descent, wallows in bleakness. This is typical Chopin, though: his music so often seems to say life is sad and pathetic, but filled with beauty and vague hope. The middle section offers that dubious hope, but does not lead the music from the doldrums. The melancholic main theme returns and the close is beautiful but bleak, the listener held captive by Chopin's thematic and harmonic resourcefulness. This piece lasts about four or five minutes in a typical performance.[1]" (Wikipedia)


Allmusic is given as reference in article, but that does not give the right to Wikipedia editor(s) to use 99.99 percent of the text without even changing a word.

In my opinion, this is copyright violation.

Frania W. (talk) 20:28, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tempo Marks Discrepancy

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There appears to be a discrepancy between the tempo and the bpm. I have checked these but they appear to be correct. I agree that they do not look right so, if anyone would like to find the information in a more accurate form then please do so. Thanks--Pianoplonkers♫(talk) 09:23, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]


  • Vivo e Risoluto is given (Tempo:♩=160)
  • Lento, ma non troppo (Tempo:♩=152)
If the difference of bpm between Vivo e Risoluto & Lento, ma non troppo in only 8 bpm, it leaves only 8 bpm to cover the whole range from Lento (40 to 60 bpm, according to Tempo wiki article) to nearly Presto speed.
Chopin did not give any speed of execution, only tempo marking; so, why not simply leave the tempo marking & remove the bpm?
Frania W. (talk) 15:55, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
152 bpm is not the execution speed for Lento. I removed it at mazurkas n° 2 & n° 4. Frania W. (talk) 02:22, 1 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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I have removed all of the copyrighted text that I can see. Can somebody judge whether the tag can now be removed. Thanks--Pianoplonkers♫(talk) 09:25, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright violation template removed. Frania W. (talk) 14:33, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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