Talk:Mehrabad International Airport

Mehrabad still is the primary airport for Tehran. Only some flights to and from the Persian Gluf are using the new airport, IKIA. All domestic flights are still using Mehrabad.

"Airlines and destinations" table

@Shayan MB24: As I said before, the "Airlines and destinations" table is largely unreferenced, and for 99% of the destinations, the only source would be the airline's website. You would have to pretend like you're booking a flight from this airport to see which cities the airline flies to. The fact that there are no secondary sources for most of these destinations also indicates that they are not notable, in other words, it is not encyclopedic to mention each and every one of the cities that each airline flies to from this airport. Rather, I believe a summary statement like the one I wrote ("Mehrabad only handles domestic flights", with a reliable reference) is enough.

I don't understand how every other section of the article, like the History, has to be properly referenced and is not allowed to have excessive detail, while editors can do whatever they want in the "Airlines and destinations" table. You won't find a table like this in any featured article on Wiki. Sunnya343 (talk) 16:11, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

I can give you plenty examples of airport pages that lack references for every destination. According to your logic, obvious flights such as New York to Los Angeles should not be mentioned, because they are not notable, which is quite ignorant. In fact, if you actually check the table there at least 3 references that are secondary but you just did not put in the time to read that. Also all of these flights can be tracked on flight tracking apps. Your logic of the table not being notable does not apply anywhere on Wikipedia as many pages are way more than just encyclopedic. The aim is to provide a database where people can find general information about an airport which includes an Airlines and Destinations table according to Wikipedia:WikiProject Airports. You eliminating that much information just because you want to is called "Disruptive Editing" according to WP:DE. So I would encourage you to not do that and try to improve the page like you did with the other sections. Shayan MB24 (talk) 22:20, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@Shayan MB24: Of course there are tons of airport articles without refs for every destination, and that is not a good thing! Notable flights, such as the first flight from the airport to another continent, ought to be mentioned, but listing every single one is excessive.

I indeed saw that there were a few sources in the table, but what about for the other 50+ destinations? Where are the sources that state Iran Airtour flies to Isfahan? Caspian Airlines to Asaluyeh? FlyPersia to Yazd? Sunnya343 (talk) 20:55, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

There are no references available for those, because the country in question is Iran, which is known to have very strict filter rules when it comes to their media and internet resources. I agree that listing every single flight is excessive and in that table, not every single one is listed as there are many charter flights which in that case you are right about them not being encyclopedic. You can check the website of the other airports you mentioned and you can see that these flights do take place on a regular interval, however there is no way to really add a reference for them. I think on this matter, you should NOT remove the table as basically all airport pages have a table for passenger airlines and destinations. My point is accessing secondary references for every single flight is limited and restricted by Iran media filtering that access in other countries. You are welcome to edit the table as you wish or add Citation needed to any of them you wish, however you cannot just remove a table because you want to. Thank you. Shayan MB24 (talk) 22:19, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@Shayan MB24: The fact that there are practically no references available for this info is further evidence that the table should not be included in the article, in my view (unless you search through an airline's schedules or booking system, as I mentioned earlier). This is indeed the case for most routes around the world. I have made clear that I did not remove the table just because I "wanted to"; I replaced it with a summary sentence supported by a reference. I am going to request a third opinion (WP:3O). Sunnya343 (talk) 02:33, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

I asked about how to cite the info in the table here. Sunnya343 (talk) 03:49, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Response to third opinion request:

I agree that this table and its contents are appropriate for this article as defined by the WikiProject. However, the WikiProject also says under its instructions for a list of airlines and destinations: "Per WP:VERIFY, references must be included for 'any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged,' and this includes the list of destinations." So this content is supposed to have sources and can be removed if it lacks a source. I suggest adding a column to the far right that could include all citations, rather than cluttering the data with citations. It is okay to use the airlines or airport websites for this content; you would not want the entire article to be sourced that way, but some primary sources are allowed for factual content. Sometimes there are newspaper or chamber of commerce newsletter articles about new airlines or destinations; however, I don't know if you have access to digitized newspapers for the area and know these sources would probably not be comprehensive. In case you do not get an answer to your question about citations: If you edit using visual editor, the visual editor will (in most cases) make the citation for you with just the website address. To me, the important thing to capture is the website name, website URL, and the date accessed as that will let people know how current the info is. If this data is collected via a dynamic database search, the web address rarely takes users back to a specific search which is what I suspect you are struggling with. So a citation might look like: "Destinations". XYZ Air Service, accessed 20 September 2023. The part in quotations would be the name of the specific webpage that has the flight search engine. Rublamb (talk) 04:33, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Terminals

Hello @Shayan MB24: I believe we should remove the info about which airline uses which terminal per this discussion. Sunnya343 (talk) 17:25, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Airlines and Destinations

Hi Shayan MB24, you're right about there being more Yes than No responses, but according to WP:NHC, consensus is supposed to be based on the strength of the arguments, as opposed to the total number of votes. The person who closed the discussion, ScottishFinnishRadish, said that This is one of the rare cases with an RFC where, numerically, the responses are close, but arguments strongly grounded in established policy make a consensus clear. I believe the Mehrabad Airport table goes against that consensus, so I removed it. Sunnya343 (talk) 06:11, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

One person's argument is not enough, it is all subjective at the end of the day, so I suggest you let go of this matter when just having a table does not cause any harm in an encylopedia. Shayan MB24 (talk) 19:05, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Please take a moment to read about Requests for Comment (RFC), how this RFC was closed, and the consensus that was reached. If you believe that the consensus from that RFC allows the Mehrabad table to remain, you can let me know. (Or, if you disagree with the consensus, you can contact ScottishFinnishRadish directly. See WP:CR.) Otherwise, the table should be removed. Sunnya343 (talk) 20:31, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

I have read the entire discussion and to me it looks like the general consensus is keeping the table. I do not know why you are so keen on doing this for just the Mehrabad airport page when there are thousands of airport pages on wikipedia with similar tables. I personally think you should let this go. Shayan MB24 (talk) 21:58, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

OK, but your interpretation of the consensus differs from ScottishFinnishRadish's. So if you want, you have to speak to them directly, as I mentioned.

I also replaced the table in the Las Vegas airport article with a summary of the airport's operations. You can see this discussion I had with another editor regarding my removal of the table.

We should not ignore something that goes against consensus and Wikipedia policies. Sunnya343 (talk) 22:56, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

There is no consensus reached on this matter. One or two people's opinions does not determine the format of thousands of encyclopedia pages. So I suggest you stop with your disruptive edits and put your editing efforts in other areas rather than trying to change something that has been part of the encyclopedia's airport pages for so long. I do not really care for ScottishFinnishRadish's interpretation as he is only one editor out of millions. Once you have a majority opinion that are advocating what you are, then you are welcome to go ahead with your "reforms". Until then, I suggest you let this matter go and contribute to Wikipedia in a positive way rather than dividing opinions. Shayan MB24 (talk) 02:07, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

With respect, it appears that you do not understand how Requests for Comment work, even though I shared some links with you earlier. I am going to request a third opinion. Sunnya343 (talk) 03:07, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

On second thought, I don't see the need for a third opinion, because I think it's already clear that you've chosen not to learn about how RFCs work. Sunnya343 (talk) 07:19, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

If you wish to review the RFC see WP:CLOSECHALLENGE. Otherwise the content stays out unless it can be properly sourced, so WP:BURDEN also applies. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 19:51, 5 December 2023 (UTC)