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A fear is not unnecessary that those who are not sympathetic to issues regarding men's rights may try to vandalise this article. Otolemur crassicaudatus 11:32, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Um, please see WP:NPOV. This page is not supposed to be sympathetic to men's rights. Or opposed to them. It is supposed to be neutral and balanced (and also verifiable which it mostly isn't so far!).--Slp1 12:21, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

merger

As it stands there's no assertion of notability here. Nor is there verification of information. Unless sources can be provided for this page as it exists, it should be merged and redirected into Men's rights--Cailil ^talk 18:19, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

a somewhat related article

that might need work/watching is Men's Right Movement in Bengal. Carptrash (talk) 16:02, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Notable events

I am removing entries about formation of new organizations, new branches and conferences, unless they have something new or something notably different. Simply opening of a new branch in a new city is not notable enough. Kenfyre (talk) 12:34, 28 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NPOV nightmare

I'm afraid I think this article is an WP:NPOV nightmare. I quote from WP:NPOV: "All encyclopedic content on Wikipedia must be written from a neutral point of view (NPOV), which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without bias, all of the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic. … This policy is non-negotiable." By contrast, most of this article reads like a promotion page for the men's rights movement in India; everything else is crammed into a brief criticism section at the end, which probably few readers ever reach. Having negative information ghettoized in a special criticism section is depreceated, see WP:CRITICISM. The criticism needs to be incorporated into the article, in a way such that, for instance, a statement by a "researcher" that "police don't take any action even if the suicide note of a man states that he was tortured by his wife and in-laws, but in case of a woman's suicide her husband's family is taken into custody without investigation" might possibly be put into perspective, or even contradicted by somebody, in place (as opposed to elsewhere in this long article). The overall impression the article gives is that the major problems concerning men, women and family life in India are false dowry cases, false rape accusations, women demanding exorbitant alimony in divorce, and the high suicide rate of married men because they're unable to withstand verbal, emotional, economic and physical abuse from their wives. I don't want to edit it, both because it's not a field I've studied, and because I want to remain uninvolved in case I need to take admin action per the article probation the article is under (see Talk:Men's rights movement/Article probation). If nobody else wants to edit this article either, with a view to introducing fresh perspectives, I guess we're stuck with it. :-(

I don't think this talkpage is widely read, as, apart from templates, it has only been edited five times in the past eight years. I'm putting my concern on the neutral point of view noticeboard as well as here, to get more eyes on it. Please weigh in there. Pinging Kenfyre (talk · contribs), basically the only person who has edited the article since December 2014. I'm not criticising him, as I can see he's a careful, competent editor, but he has followed quite closely the pattern that was already there, mainly just adding more — more court decisions, more men's rights organisations, more criticisms, etc. This IMO doesn't address the article's structural problems. I hope you will comment at the NPOV noticeboard, Kenfyre. Bishonen | talk 17:33, 17 July 2015 (UTC).[reply]

The page was actually in a worse state when I found it. I just checked the citations, added courts cases and recent events over time, and rewrote some parts. The page used suffer from vandalism and over-enthusiastic edits from well-intended editors. I'm actually in favor for your suggestions. I will work on integrating the "Criticism" into the main article and remove unnecessary quotes. -Kenfyre (talk) 17:50, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The article has problems. Lots of citations are used and it attempts to reflect the sources. The sources have problems. There is no controversy here, but rather this article is just early in its development and is getting low traffic and low editing attention. This is not an unusual case for topics of marginal interest. Action could be taken to improve this by anyone who wishes to do so. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:38, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"First time in India"

Does anybody have access to this google books source? A quote would be great. As it is, I am rather skeptical of the claim. "On 19 November 2007, the Save Indian Family Foundation (SIFF) celebrated International Men's Day for the first time in India.^[1]^[2]" Vanamonde93 (talk) 03:58, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I can't verify it. But, I remember the source was open, when it was first added, otherwise I would have removed it. Here is another source: Hindustan Times. -Kenfyre (talk) 13:23, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Vanamonde93 (talk) 13:37, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

History Section, 2014 Sub-Section

Dear Moderators,

Based on the content "In May 2014, Save Indian Family Foundation (SIFF) launched a mobile app called SIF One to reach out to men in distress.[27] In the same month, an all India telephone helpline was launched.[28]", I visited the Mobile App Homepage but found it to be owned by Save Indian Family (SIF) instead of SIFF.

Here is the App Link ^[3]

Hope that you would correct it as per the actual App link I shared.

Also found another News Link directing it to SIF only. ^[4] 202.138.120.40 (talk) 10:01, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Every editor who edits this page is a moderator, including you, if you so choose. If you do edit the page just be sure that your references are in good order. You might consider registering too, it will (opinion) give your edits a better chance. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 18:18, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lead expansion

Hi @SSTflyer:, thanks for expanding the lead. I think it's good but you just need to change the last line to note who noted or reported that rape reporting laws and sexual harassment laws have also been noted as unfair to men. Cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:03, 19 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Moving whole new section here to be discussed

Forcible castration and sexual destruction

Young men and boys have been forcibly kidnapped and have had their sexuality and lives destroyed by criminal mafia organizations made up of hijra and their accomplices.These acts are a serious and extreme violation of their sexual and reproductive rights,emotions,mental health.Their rights as human beings are trampled upon and their ability to reach out for help is curtailed and they are left in a horrifying,sad,tormented state^[5].The tasks which they are forced to do under dangerous and threatening conditions and violence are forced homosexual and other types of deviant sexual prostitution,along the with their additional trauma of being castrated they are at risk of being infected by HIV.^[6] These barbaric crimes have continually and endlessly going on against the humanity and rights of young boys and sometimes even adult men in india.The government of India has no laws or legislation recognized for their protection and welfare similar to stop this barbaric crime which is a serious infringement on their humanity and causes emotional distress,lifelong feelings of shame,rejection,etc.

^ "International Men's Day on Nov. 19". The Hindu. 17 November 2007. Retrieved 6 April 2014.
^ Jason Thompson (2010). International Men's Day: The Making of a Movement. Soul Books. p. 28. ISBN 978-0-646-54972-9. Retrieved 6 April 2014.
^ https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.akki.saveindia&hl=en
^ http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/blink/know/an-sos-for-men/article6683038.ece
^ http://m.timesofindia.com/city/delhi/Eunuchs-not-always-born-but-made/articleshow/1219979.cms
^ http://www.youthkiawaaz.com/2008/12/the-eunuch-reality/

This section needs to be looked at, the references checked out and if it is to be returned, needs to be re-written. Let's get to work. Carptrash (talk) 18:08, 1 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

While this is some nasty stuff being done to males, what does it have to do with the Mens Rights Movement ? Carptrash (talk) 18:20, 1 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Men's Right Activists in India also work to raise awareness of gender specific crimes against men. They often demand specific legislative demands for these, much in the same vein as Indian laws that address crimes specific to women. - Mukt (talk) 19:55, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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it is not the place to put links to publications or newsletters of particular organizations. So I am going to be removing those, mostly from the Organizations sections, but also anywhere else they exist. Carptrash (talk) 16:28, 8 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

[mens_day-1] "International Men's Day on Nov. 19". The Hindu. 17 November 2007. Retrieved 6 April 2014.

[Thompson2010-2] Jason Thompson (2010). International Men's Day: The Making of a Movement. Soul Books. p. 28. ISBN 978-0-646-54972-9. Retrieved 6 April 2014.

[3] ttps://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.akki.saveindia&hl=en

[4] ttp://www.thehindubusinessline.com/blink/know/an-sos-for-men/article6683038.ece

[5] ttp://m.timesofindia.com/city/delhi/Eunuchs-not-always-born-but-made/articleshow/1219979.cms

[6] ttp://www.youthkiawaaz.com/2008/12/the-eunuch-reality/

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