Talk:Music of Sesame Street

GA Review

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Reviewer: Calvin999 (talk · contribs) 17:33, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Lead

• but it retained its own distinctive and signature sound, → What sound is this?

"It's explained in the body, but the lead's not the place to do it, so I removed the phrase.

• many of songs → A word is missing here

"Actually, the "of" is extra, so removed it.

• became "timeless classics"[1] In order → Need a full stop.
• and hit #11 on the Billboard charts → This is not specific enough. I presume you mean the Hot 100?

Last two items addressed.

• A picture of Sesame Street would be good here. A lead with no picture looks a bit strange.

Well, there are plenty of GAs (and FAs, for that matter) that don't have an image in the lead. Images for Sesame Street articles have always been an issue. The Sesame Workshop, and rightly so, is fiercely protective of its images, so they're hard to come by. I've emailed them, and even wrote them a snail mail letter, but have had no response. I added the only approprate thing I could think of: the show logo.

• By 1991, Sesame Street has → had

Fixed. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 16:52, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Purpose

• A music sample or a couple of music samples would be good here

Um, I hesitate doing this for the above reason. There are plenty of examples of SS music out there. What do you think about linking to a couple of YouTube videos in an "External links" section?

Songs and songwriters

• There's no point linking Danny Epstein if he has no article

Um, actually there is. As per WP:RED, the purpose of redlinks is to encourage the creation of new articles. This is the only redlink in this entire article, so it doesn't affect its aesthetics. Epstein really should have his own article, and it's something on my long-term to-do list, so I'd like to keep it.

• Again, saying the Billboard charts is not specific enough.
• Epstein called Moss "a true gentleman,[27] and → Need a closing quote
• Cooney called him "a true music visionary",[27] He wrote → Need a full stop, not a comma. You need to check your full stops.
• By 1991, Sesame Street has → had

Fixed.

I just added another image: the cover art of the first album. What do you think?

Status

• On hold.  — AARON • ^TALK 14:48, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Aaron, appreciate it. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:29, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

"on the Billboard charts" still is not right. What's the problem with writing: "on the Billboard Hot 100 chart" ? That's what it is. It's one chart, not several.  — AARON • ^TALK 20:34, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Nothing, done so. Thanks. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 23:25, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Passing. Well done.  — AARON • ^TALK 23:33, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

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Sesame Street Records section

User:Spshu recently added this section. I don't think that a new section, with the infobox, is needed. The third paragraph of this section is already in the previous section, so it's redundant. Instead, I propose instead of a new section, we fold in the information in the three new sources Spshu found (refs 33, 34, 35). I suggest that we include the information about the start of the label earlier, in the third paragraph of the Purpose section. It would then read as follows:

The producers recorded and released its musical content early in the show's history, to reinforce its curriculum lessons for children when they were not watching it, and for entertainment.[12] Recording albums of the substantial amount of music written for the show, along with publishing books, was the first attempts to generate income and to fund the show and other projects of the Children's Television Workshop (the CTW, later renamed the Sesame Workshop, or the SW), the organization that oversaw the production of Sesame Street.[13] The CTW started an independent record label, Sesame Street Records, in 1974. It was discounted in 1984, but the CTW continued issuing, in partnership with other labels, Sesame Street music, including parody-titles like Sesame Road and Born to Add, which spoofed Abbey Road and Born to Run.[33 (Rolling Stone ref)]

Then the rest of the content would be added to the Songs and songwriters section thusly:

In late 2018, SW announced a multi-year agreement with Warner Music Group's Arts Music division to re-launch Sesame Street Records in the U.S. and Canada. For the first time in 20 years, "an extensive catalog of Sesame Street recordings" was made available to the public in a variety of formats, including CD and vinyl compilations, digital streaming, and downloads.[2] The catalog was released via streaming and download platforms at the time of the announcement.[34] The first releases in 2019 were the Letters series on September 21, followed by the All-Time Favorites series and a new holiday compilation in November 2019.[35] The label also planned to cover original songs and parodies outside the series and thematic compilations around the show's various topics.[2]

Please discuss and make additional suggestions. Thanks. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 21:27, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

I think not. When I first came to the article to see if the record label was cover it took time to read through the article and find it source down at the bottom. Wikilinks for the label are being direct to this article. Second, the fact that you were unaware that the label was source and immediate remove the addition to the lead about the label makes it clear that this is just burying information about the label.

The third paragraph is not redundant but expands on that sentence, but the sentence can just be cut down to mention the label agreement to more effectively just refer readers to the label's section.

Also, given its sources, Sesame Street Records may be notable on its own. It just doesn't make sense to have a stub article when it can exist with additional information on Sesame Street music. Spshu (talk) 16:47, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Well, it's obvious you're not willing to discuss and work through to consensus. The record label isn't more or less important than anything else in this article, so giving it its own section, when information is being repeated or is redundant, is a violation of WP:UNDUE. In my version, the label is mentioned early in the article. The re-launch, in my version, is placed chronologically. Plus, it's debatable that your version is an expansion; sure, it uses different language and wording, but it's essentially the same information. For example: In late 2018, SW announced a multi-year agreement with Warner Music Group's Arts Music division to re-launch Sesame Street Records in the U.S. and Canada. The full catalog of Sesame Street recordings would be fully available for the first time in 20 years in various formats. in the last paragraph of the Songs and songwriters section is similar to your version in the new section: Sesame Street Records in the U.S. and Canada was relaunched in November 2018 via a multi-year agreement with Warner Music Group's Arts Music division. The full catalog of Sesame Street recordings would be fully available for the first time in 20 years in various formats.[2] The catalog was released via streaming and download platform at the time of the announcement. Everything else in my version above adds to the information already there, supported by the three sources you provided.

I suspect that the label deserves its own article, so why don't you go ahead and research it and create it? I won't help, because even though I'm home like everyone else, I'm working on other articles and doing other stuff non-WP related. Plus, I'm not at all interested in collaborating with you. This article is only a GA, and although it's preferable that it remain so, I'm done trying to work with you. It's not like it's ever going to promoted to FA or anything, since it's too short. Good luck. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 18:27, 7 April 2020 (UTC)