Talk:Nobel Energy

Wrong input

Dear Redzed9876 and kelapstick this article http://www.irrawaddy.com/burma/burmas-frontier-appeal-lures-shadowy-oil-firms.html have big mistakes. This story is about Russian Nobel Oil and the article wrongly mentions another company with the same name. Proof of this mistake here http://www.reuters.com/article/myanmar-oil-table-idUSL3E8C63AA20120106 .

So what was put in criticism section of Nobel Oil Group is a simple misunderstanding and misconception. Nobel Oil Group do not do projects in Burma. I respect your efforts but you have confused the names of company, especially Redzed9876. What do you think of it? I appreciate your time but please consider it asap because your wrong input confuses readers. I am looking forward to hearing from you. Kind regards. Vugar69 (talk) 04:05, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

That's not the case. The article is clearly about Nobel Oil Group of Azerbaijan. Even if there are other similarly-sounding companies in other countries, which might also be questionable, the article is clearly about Nobel Oil Group of Azerbaijan. And the company is so mysterious and secretive that even journalists get confused. Redzed9876 (talk) 19:36, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Wrong section based on wrong article

Dear Kelapstick, Redzed9876 and NottNott This part -- "Several independent media outlets in Azerbaijan, Romania and elsewhere have raised questions on the actual real ownership and beneficiaries of the company, since they are concealed from the public eyes. Despite getting multi-million dollar government contracts and choice pieces of oil and gas blocks in the Caspian Sea, the shadowy Nobel Oil Group has a murky relationship with the government and non-transparent ownership structure. Its founder and declared 100% owner, Nasib Jabbar Oglu Hasanov, has no oil industry education or energy background prior to establishing the company and immediately getting choice contracts from domestic and international government and private corporations." -- is worng one inspired by wrong article http://www.irrawaddy.com/burma/burmas-frontier-appeal-lures-shadowy-oil-firms.html.

once again, it is not wrong. Just because Nobel Oil Group didn't get any contracts in Burma does not invalidate everything else in the article.

Also this line -- " Nasib Jabbar Oglu Hasanov, has no oil industry education or energy background prior to establishing the company and immediately getting choice contracts from domestic and international government and private corporations" -- is not relevant and with the elements of discrimination. Richard Branson has no "space" or telecom education or background and is it important if he is entrepreneur? His business succesful and responsible in front of the society. The same goes for Nasib Hasanov. He is an entrepreneur. The entrepreneur is commonly seen as a business leader and innovator of new ideas and business processes. http://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/entrepreneur.asp#ixzz3vmFXQDM8 . So allow me to kindly ask you to consider the discriminatory line and delete it.

Richard Branson is leading transparent companies, is open to media scrutiny, and is not getting massive government contracts out of nowhere for unclear reasons. Richard Branson is also not subject to any investigations, unlike Mr. Nasib Hasanov. So comparison is without any merit. Redzed9876 (talk) 19:40, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Regards and am looking forward to hearing from you asap. Vugar69 (talk) 05:09, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

The section “Controversy and criticism” allege to a couple of Azeri and Romanian media outlets claiming murkiness of the Nobel Oil Group. The fact is that these media outlets cite Burman newspaper which originally presented inaccurate information confusing two unrelated and independent companies, so as activities of Russian-based company were attributed to British-registered one. That was why the Burman newspaper erroneously arrived at an idea that the activities of Nobel Oil Group were murky, and Azeri media followed that inaccurate information. No Romanian media outlets naming Nobel Oil ‘murky’ has been revealed, although it is mentioned in the above-mentioned section. The Group leads transparent activities, regularly updates company-related information on its website (http://www.nobeloil.com/). Information on management structure is publicly shared through its website as well. There is a wide media coverage of the company’s activities in Azeri (http://azertag.az/xeber/Nobel_Oil_Ruminiyanin_Iasi_seherinde_ilk_yanacaqdoldurma_menteqesini_achib-904028; http://www.cbc.az/ru/news/azerbaycan/nobel-oil-priobrel-doliu-v-dochke-britanskoy-kompanii.page; http://www.oilgasconference.az/2016/?p=news__read&t=top&q=266&l=ru; http://news.az/articles/economy/102394; http://www.trend.az/business/energy/2430492.html; etc.)and Romanian (http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=317438235; http://business-review.eu/featured/nobel-oil-enters-romanian-market-through-filling-station-in-iasi-92004; http://www.nineoclock.ro/nobel-oil-opens-first-gas-station-in-iasi/; http://www.zf.ro/zf-24/un-nou-brand-ataca-o-piata-de-10-mld-euro-nobel-oil-vrea-90-de-benzinarii-in-cinci-ani-prima-oprire-la-iasi-14867473; http://postandparcel.info/69969/news/dhl-and-nobel-oil-agree-romanian-retail-partnership/; etc ) media, as well as in internationally known Magazines (The Oil and Gas Year, Azerbaijan 2015, page 92; Foreign Affairs – Special entrepreneurship issue- Azerbaijan 2020-Turning strength into sustainabulity, Jan/Feb 2015, page 8; https://www.thebusinessyear.com/azerbaijan-2015/burn-the-midnight-oil/b2b). So the Company in no way can be called ‘shadowy’.

I am not sure why you share many of these press releases and general corporate news as "evidence" of the company being supposedly not shadowy. Several independent news reports disagree with you. Also, AZERTAG.AZ is an Azerbaijani GOVERNMENT news sources. As is NEWS.AZ. So these news sources do not exactly instill trust.

As the company is UK-registered, in UK-based websites there is disclosed information on the Company’s owner (https://www.endole.co.uk/company/09102634/nobel-oil-services-uk-limited; https://companycheck.co.uk/company/08838907/NOBEL-OIL-EP-UK-LIMITED/group-structure). The reference that ‘Nasib Hasanov has no industry-related education’ is not tenable since the entrepreneurial ability does not depend on the earned diploma. History knows lots of names, such as Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, etc, who never had an industry-related academic background, but were masters of their craft taking advantage of innate business savvy. Moreover, the shareholder of the company holds degree in engineering. So the use of such wording sounds like offence to the owner. As a UK-registered holding Company it submits its tax reports to the relevant UK tax authorities according to UK legislation. In Azerbaijan the Company operates through its branch office, which reports to local tax authorities in accordance with Azeri legislation. The Company operates within anti-corruption policy applied in obedience to UK legislation (Anti-Bribery Act). Financials of the group companies are audited on annual base by "big 4" international audit companies such as Deloitte and Ernst & Young. Therefore, the company meets obligations towards the governments of the countries in which it operates. Considering all of the above mentioned, I would kindly ask you to move away the irrelevant information on Nobel Oil as the sources providing it are not reliable, reflection of this inaccurate information on Wikipedia confuses readers and harms the reputation of the Company. Rahila Hasanova (talk) 13:05, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

User Rahila Hasanova - how do you know so much about Nobel Oil Group? What is your knowledge based upon? Where are those Big 4 audit reports that you so confidently mention, for example? Meanwhile, comparing to Bill Gates, who was a lifelong programmer and was admitted to Harvard where he studied math, and went on to create an IT/software company (i.e., his skills and education were completely relevant to his industry) to Mr. Nasib Hasanov who had no industry experience before establishing his mysterious company in 2005 is quite a stretch. Same goes for Steve Jobs. Both were very transparent and led public companies. Please think more before you write something like this. Redzed9876 (talk) 19:49, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Links doesn't work, content of the controversy and criticism is not proofed

References 9 and 10 doesn't work. Content backed by 9 and 10 is not being proofed Rahmatold (talk) 05:46, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

That's classic - Nobel Oil Group is putting extreme pressure on the already less than free media and press in Azerbaijani, forcing them to take down the critical reports of Nobel Oil from even months ago. And after that Nobel Oil Group sends its army of paid editors to Wikipedia to claim that "links don't work". There are always secondary links and backups to links. You can already read the two critical reports in questions here:

• "Таинственная азербайджанская компания вторглась в Европу НАШЕ РАССЛЕДОВАНИЕ ("Mysterious Azerbaijani company invaded Europe [Our investigation]")". Haqqin.az. Retrieved 1 January 2016.
• "Таинственная азербайджанская компания вторглась в Европу НАШЕ РАССЛЕДОВАНИЕ ("Mysterious Azerbaijani company invaded Europe [Our investigation]")". Haqqin.az. Retrieved 1 January 2016.
• "Nobelin adını daşıyan sirli şirkətin Azərbaycan neftində payı ("Secret company that carries Nobel name Azerbaijani oil's stake")". Region Heberleri. Retrieved 1 January 2016.
• "Nobelin adını daşıyan sirli şirkətin Azərbaycan neftində payı ("Secret company that carries Nobel name Azerbaijani oil's stake")". Region Heberleri. Retrieved 1 January 2016.</ref>

Well, at least they're not in last place in the rankings. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 23:47, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

References 23, 24, 25, 26 don't worked. Information without facts - Fantasy. Criticism looks like the order of competitors. Please check. Горлов Алексей Юрьевич (talk) 07:47, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Articles (ref. 23, 24, 25, 26) were removed after appeals to editors. Горлов Алексей Юрьевич (talk) 08:32, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Please read WP:SPA and WP:NOTCENSORED. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 14:43, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

• I do not see how those links are to reliable sources. In addition, the MOS frowns on separate "Controversy" sections". I have thus removed the section. Ohnoitsjamie, Only blocked one of the now-former editors here; it's probably worth your while starting an SPI and cleaning out the closet a little bit. Drmies (talk) 04:46, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Drmies should restore purged content and RS

User Drmies, you haven't discussed anything on the Talk page of the Nobel Oil Group when removing so much content.

Wikipedia rules and protocols were not followed in the wholesale removal of reliable and authoritative sources that are verifiable.

When weblinks are not available anymore for whatever reason (in this case Nobel Oil Group put pressure on online media and forced removal of articles), Wikipedia calls for: 1) usage of WebCite to archive the material (which was used, and could have been used by user Drmies, who being an administrator probably knows this rule well), [1] and 2) must follow WP:DEADREF which clearly states: "As a result, editors should wait ~24 months after the link is first tagged as dead before declaring that no web archive exists." [2]

Here's an example of the WebCite archival of the used sources that have been removed by the original source due to pressure and harassment from Nobel Oil Group:

Teref.info (also was on Ajiotaj.az) (in Azerbaijani): http://www.webcitation.org/6eInULIfq

Haqqin.az (in Russian): http://www.webcitation.org/6eInpyiK5

Haqqin.az (in Russian): http://www.webcitation.org/6eIoE84eV

Additionally, since some of the sources are non-English, per Wikipedia rules WP:NOENG, "editors may request that a quotation of relevant portions of the original source be provided, either in text, in a footnote" [3]

Despite the claim [4], none of the sources used are "blogs" or "websites". They are all legitimate, authoritative, reliable and highly popular media sources (traffic is hundreds of thousands of hits per months as verified by independent sources) that are all registered with the local government. For example, Haqqin.az, one of the most popular news sources that is more independent than most others, was registered with the Azerbaijani Ministry of Justice on September 29, 2011 [5]

The sources and corresponding information should be restored. Redzed9876 (talk) 17:12, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 14 January 2016

Please change the following references - this is dead link fixes:

• 3 to
• 8 to

Thanks! Mdann52 (talk) 21:58, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

 Done. Please confirm this has been done correctly. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:22, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

References

Major edit required

There are actually two UK companies called Nobel Oil. 1) Nobel Oil E&P (UK) Limited, CEO Jeremy Huck. Active in Azerbaijan, the USA and UK. www.nobelupstream.com 2) Nobel Oil Services (UK) Limited, also UK registered, CEO Ali Batu. Active in Azerbaijan, Romania. www.nobeloil.com

They can be loosely described together as Nobel Oil group, since they are both directly owned by Nasib Hasanov, and both are headquartered at the same London address. But they publish group accounts with different auditors (Ernst & Young and Deloitte respectively), they have entirely different management and boards of directors, and the accounts of each make no reference to the other. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.30.125.169 (talk) 19:31, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Is it turk azerbaijani company ? I will look into this topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Persian2015 (talk • contribs) 23:03, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Gapfiller (talk) 09:36, 16 December 2016 (UTC) Ref 5 of the article is not correct. Should be

References

Vandalism and misleading

Some users deliberately mistaken readers and create obstacles to develop and improve the page. Draw the attention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Persian2015 (talk • contribs) 02:18, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

References 1 and 2 of are not about the owner/founder,they show management team only. There is no information#source on how the company was set up and by whom.--Fanbreaker (talk) 09:54, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

History and development section has no ownership information

The article states that Mr. N.Hasanov is the founder but does not give details on him.--Fanbreaker (talk) 09:55, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Nobel Oil Ltd. has two shareholders: Allendorf SA (1%) and Technogas LTD (99%). It is not mentioned in any official source that Mr. Nasib Hasanov is the owner of the company. (Shada sh (talk) 22:27, 19 December 2016 (UTC))

References

Additional information

Information from Azerbaijan International Mineral Resources Operating Company:

Offshore Nobel Oil Ltd. is registered in St.Kitts & Nevis and has exactly the same address as other 4 offshore companies have (Londex Resources SA, Globex International, Willy and Meyris, Fargate Mining Corporation) One of the founders of Fargate Mining Corporation is Mr. Nasib Hasanov (link to doc). It is most likely that Mr.Hasanov is an owner of Fargate Mining or of all the companies mentioned above. (Longatinale (talk) 18:00, 19 December 2016 (UTC))

--Chickx (talk) 20:07, 20 December 2016 (UTC) presumably they both are the same person, addresses and locations are overlapping.

References

RfC about the correct citation in history and development section

Ref1 should be about a holding company - Nobel Oil Ltd. But some users keep linking the source on its subsidiary,- Nobel Oil (UK) Ltd. Is it right? 64.64.117.80 (talk) 16:54, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Cancel the RFC or rewrite. I think you have to make a specific question about the text instead of asking for a judgement about editor's intention. CuriousMind01 (talk) 13:51, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

• Cancel They're one and the same, essentially, the holding company and the firm of the same name. This isn't an appropriate use of RfC. Chris Troutman (talk) 06:03, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

About changes on 28.12.2016 in History and Development

The facts in the first sentence don’t require references as it is official information provided in internal documentation of the company. — Preceding unsigned comment added by L&S(wiki) (talk • contribs) 17:40, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

It's no good sitting in internal documents. It needs to be in published independent reliable sources. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:44, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Rewriting

The article needs to be rewritten. Info on corporate website mentioned as an external link contradicts the article. Bringingvalue (talk) 06:51, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Wrong name on the article

The article has wrong name. Nobel Oil Group is about Russian company, see Bloomberg https://www.bloomberg.com/profiles/companies/3455623Z:RU-nobel-oil-group, but this page is about UK based company, Nobel Oil Service , please see nobeloil.com , the bottom of the web page. Template ""COI"" apparently doesn`t meet scope of topic. Based on wrong naming I moved page , WP:PRECISION — Preceding unsigned comment added by Regenteditor (talk • contribs) 17:53, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

You say: "Based on wrong naming I moved page", but the page wasn't moved by Regenteditor but by Swissfishpool. I hope that this doesn't mean that you're another of Swissfishpool's sockpuppets? --David Biddulph (talk) 18:37, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes, clearly something fishy going on. I reverted the page move (I wonder why the talk page wasn't moved). --Lemongirl942 (talk) 01:47, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

COI used wrongly

Template:COI, section "When to use" says -- "Like the other neutrality-related tags, if you place this tag, you should promptly start a discussion on the article's talk page to explain what is non-neutral about the article. If you do not start this discussion, then any editor is justified in removing the tag without warning". No discussion. Template removed.

Owners of company

Considering the fact that there are sources showing the link between the family of the president and the company, why don't you let this information be given in the article?--Nocorruption1 (talk) 11:49, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Nocorruption1! Because, the sources which include these claims are not reliable. --Sefer azeri (talk) 08:02, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Why do you deem this reference inappropriate? --Nocorruption1 (talk) 12:43, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Because the website refers to unreliable sources.--Sefer azeri (talk) 09:27, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

That is not a valid argument against occrp.org which by itself is a WP:RS. Unless the material to source is unequivocally unbiased, it should per WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV be attributed, e.g. "According to the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project ..." - followed by the source citation from occrp.org. Lklundin (talk) 16:33, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

How can you explain the fact that such information was given in Azerbaijani sources?--Nocorruption1 (talk) 08:32, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Because the website refers to unreliable sources.--Sefer azeri (talk) 08:41, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

But how can you explain the fact that the article wasn't created in Azerbaijani? In my opinion, it is the problem of giving this information in Azerbaijani and everything is related to this.--Nocorruption1 (talk) 06:40, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Longatinale (talk) 15:37, 16 April 2017 (UTC) Offshore Nobel Oil Ltd. is registered in St.Kitts & Nevis and has exactly the same address as other 4 offshore companies have (Londex Resources SA, Globex International, Willy and Meyris, Fargate Mining Corporation) One of the founders of Fargate Mining Corporation is Mr. Nasib Hasanov (link to doc). It is most likely that Mr.Hasanov is an owner of Fargate Mining or of all the companies mentioned above.

It seems   {{Sefer azeri |Connected contributor}}  He/She needs to avoid from editing this article.

References

Nasib Hasanov - the owner

a proven track record? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Transbot17 (talk • contribs) 00:30, 22 October 2017 (UTC)