Talk:North Midland Railway

George vs Robert

Didn't Robert Stephenson also do a lot of work on this line?Linuxlad 09:08, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

• All the accounts I have seen paint this picture of George Stephenson and Charles Binns leaving the New Inn in Derby "in a yellow post-chaise" to survey the line. Some people call it "George Stephenson's last railway." Robert was probably busy on the London and Birmingham, but probably took over as engineer, when George decided to retire to Clay Cross and develop the mineral deposits. Chevin 12:52, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

But didn't RS take the decision to take it up the Derwent 6 (or so)foot above the highest _recorded_ flood level? Bob

• I don't know. Both George and Robert were appointed as engineers, so probably, George surveyed it but they built it together.Chevin 13:10, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
  • The actual engineering of the construction of the line was done by Frederick Swanwick, George S being ready to retire and anxious to develop various mineral resources, while Robert was occupied with the loco works. Maybe we should edit the article to reflect this though I dont have any references handy at the mo User:Chevin 10:45, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Station Names

Although these no doubt are the original station names of the railway, is it worth putting the names in that the stations had later on in their lifetime? From some (e.g. 'Barnsley' for Cudworth) it seems that the North Midland were more than a little creative with their geography!

Also it's worth being consistent if you do go for a certain era of station names. Sheffield Midland did not become such until 1949 (it was Pond Street before).

BaseTurnComplete 09:59, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

How much info can you jam into one page without making it incomprhensible? I used the station pages to "fill out" the history of the line (I've not got past Dore and Totley so far) including changes of name. Also there is the parallel article "Midland Main Line" This has pareticular relevance to Long Eaton and Sawley (on the Midland Counties)which moved around and exchanged names. Unfortunalely other people keep altering the names like the multiple redirect pages for Derby station. There is no record of when it became Derby Midland, but raiways didn't usually bother until there was another company's station. Hence Loughborough became Loughborough Midland when the Great Central built a station. So I imagine Derby became Derby Midland when the GNR built Friargate.Chevin 08:24, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

The official name in 1896 was "Sheffield New Midland Station". Pond Street may have been the local name, since it seems that people were not very impressed with it until it was rebuilt in 1910.The goods depot was "Pond Street".

The original station is referred to in a guidebook of the time as "Barnsley Station at Cudworth Bridge - Omnibus to Barnsley, 2½ miles on the left." (a bit like Corby today!) Probably the station changed its name to Cudworth when the Barnsley branch was built.

Whittington and Barrow Hill

I've removed these for the time being as they weren't North Midland stations. Will replace with date when more info available, like Derby Nottingham Road. Chevin (talk) 16:47, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Were they Midland stations? Talltim (talk) 22:13, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh yes, they were built by the Midland and could be added in once articles were written, since the page describes the New Road which also was not the North Midland but part of its later development. Chevin (talk) 08:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for picking up on that then. I dug out my copy of 'The North Midland Railway Guide' (1842) and it doesn't show the stations. BTW do you know what the copyright status of the engravings reproduced in it would be? I would have thought that they would be out of copyright by now and could possibly used in this and station articles. Talltim (talk) 10:53, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorted it out. Whittington was not built till 1861, Barrow Hill was originally Staveley. I imagine the originals of the engravings, which were commissioned by the NMR by Samuel Russell, would be out of copyright by now. Chevin (talk) 15:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Broomhouse Tunnel

Broomhouse tunnel (on the "New Road") no longer exists as it was opened out in 1969. The relevant Railway Magazine article is July 1969 P409 and there`s a picture of the work in progress in the same years November edition on P636. I don`t know how to alter or amend the graphic so could someone else do that ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by JustinSmith (talk • contribs) 10:52, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Nevertheless it did exist originally and its history is given in the article about it. Chevin (talk) 11:26, 6 December 2008 (UTC)