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The Belgians and Canadians liked it!?

This is an outrage! Pazuzu567

Comment

How is it that the remix is preferred more than the original? That could just be someone's opinion.

It's preferred because the original leak was a radio rip and was really bad quality. It's hard to even understand the lyrics in the original leak. The remix is a clear CD rip, hence, the reason it is preferred is because it is clear, not because it's nesacerily someone's opinion. Pazuzu567 12:27, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Strip

Unless you can cite a source proving it is by another artist, I have every reason to believe it is by Paris. Stop removing it, or you can justify removing all the leaked tracks, as there is no proof they are by Paris either, I take it. Pazuzu567 04:49, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Since we can't agree on this, I've just removed the leaked tracks. Celebrity-Benji 02:22, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It' doesn't sound like Paris.

You Don't See Me

There's a song out by Paris called You Don't See Me, so I was wondering if it was a leftover track?- Hill03

It's not by Hilton. It's by another artist and is on the Josie and the Pussycats soundtrack. Celebrity-Benji 22:40, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's by Kay Hanley.

Album credits!

a few weeks ago somebody posted full album credits on this page please post them again just on the talk page

Third Singles

Does anyone know whether the thrid single is Screwed or somethin else. --> Not announced yet.

?

Wasn't Heart Of Glass supposed to be on the album? --> Supposed, but seems like will be a Japanesse bonus track.

Jealousy

Anyone else think that the fact that this sing is almost definitely directed at Nicole Richie should be included in the article. I mean look at the lyrics. Although we don't know why they stopped being friends, but its obviously directed at an ex-friend, and Hilton was one of the song's writers. Maybe it could say something like: Due to its lyrics, it is thought the song Jealousy is directed at Hilton's ex-friend Nicole Richie - ^Рэд _хот 14:41, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

charts

How can chart positions be up already for the States? The news comes out on Wednesday. Second, there are two different numbers for Billboard (one saying #8, the other saying #10), so can this be clarified? Thanks. SKS2K6 05:27, 30 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chart Trajectories

Do we really need info from every music chart from every country on the planet. I'm sure since this is the "English" wikipedia, UK and US charts would be good enough. Anyone up? --Die Hard 2k5 21:18, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I'm interested in this. Please gives every information on how "Paris" does.

I just noticed that they changed the 5th week's stats to "out" instead of writing the numbers. It is not necessary. I like to see its progress.

Please change the cover..

back to Parishiltoncover.jpg Thanks. -Anthony- 10:41, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Second and third single

Turn It Up is NOT the second single. It was only released to clubs, not to mainstream radio. Paris never did a video for it, so it can't be considered as a "second" single.

Therefore, Nothing in this World is officially the second single off "Paris". Stop changing it.

Genre

Please change the genre. She is NOT an RnB/Hip-hop singer.

False Album Sales

This album did not sell 500,000 copies worldwide! Their isn't even a source! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.94.46.100 (talk) 18:08, 22 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Yes it did, actually. Starsareblind07 20:13, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Their is no source saying so, so it did NOT sell 500,000 worldwide. It was a flop worldwide, case closed.72.94.46.100 21:24, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It DID sell 500,000 copies worldwide, and the only flop here is you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.6.87 (talk) 15:21, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Our friend is a little confused. The CD SHIPPED 5-600,000. Not SOLD, SHIPPED. Who knows how many ended up sold, and how many ended up in a landfill.67.160.174.24 (talk) 03:46, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No new album!!!!!!!! No new album!!!!!!!

Somebody keeps saying that Paris is recording a new album called: This is me....rumors aside. This is false!!!!! She is not recording a new album and even if she is than this is not the name of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.25.197.19 (talk) 18:06, 21 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

The preceding comment has a lot of exclamation points, so it must be true.--MrWhipple 20:26, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Acording to X17 Online, AOL News and E! Online, Paris Hilton IS recording a new album. But there's no title yet. -- John Biancato ^talk 20:01, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ALBUM SALES

Whoever is putting the album sold 97,000 copies in it's first week in the U.S. is wrong, PLEASE quit putting that in the article! And also, the album did NOT sell 2.6 million copies worldwide, please quit putting that in there as well. 172.132.134.143 19:19, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What in the world?

The sentence "The album is was throughout an event when was launched the sale thus became one of the biggest successes of 2006." is utterly incoherent. What is it supposed to mean?

Radical25 (talk) 03:51, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Credits list

I'm just wondering whether "Pooh Bear – backing vocals" is the result of a troll edit or if it's a genuine fact from the album? Lol, it just seems weird. Since I wouldn't want to torture myself by actually listening to all the tracks to verify, I thought I'd ask here. ;) OscarL 21:27, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Hip hop" as genre

The source says "'Stars Are Blind' [...] was commissioned to bridge the gap between the hip-hop and rock-inflected tunes on the album". That, in no way, is saying that this is a hip hop album. It repeats what the article says here: "Paris is a pop and R&B album that is influenced by hip hop." (CC) Tbhotch^™ 23:28, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Tbhotch: I have included 3 different sources that claim this is a hip hop album which is why it’s appropriate to include in the box.

https://www.papermag.com/amp/paris-hilton-debut-album-2534823518

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/music/a62920/paris-hilton-album-reviews-2006/

http://www.mtv.com/news/1533187/paris-hiltons-debut-merges-hip-hop-reggae-rod-stewart/ Pillowdelight (talk) 00:09, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

From Paper: "Hilton would finally hone the hip-hop-inspired sound of Paris" (this repeats the main concern); from Cosmpolitan: "The hip-hop tracks, however, weigh the album down". It refers to those hip hop songs mentioned by Slant above, not that the album is hip hop; from MTV "I know a lot of the record she did with Scott Storch, which is more, like, hip-hop-based", the records (i.e. the songs), not the album; "Hilton revealed the song selection to Hong Kong magazine Prestige, noting that her album will mix reggae, pop and hip-hop elements." (the songs are influenced by reggae, pop and hip hop, not the album). And that's the problem here. The album is not hip hop. The album is a pop album that explores several genres, including hip hop. Take The College Dropout (the first example I could think of), where sources directly call it a hip hop album.[1][2][3][4] That doesn't happen here. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 00:24, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

According to Template:Infobox album states “The field should include the music genre(s) that best describes the album. It should come from a reliable source and also be stated and referenced in the body of the article”. All of those sources indeed state the albums tracks include hip hop. Scott Storch produced majority of the bulk of the album he is a pop and hip hop producer. You are also giving me an example of an album “where sources directly call it a hip hop album” from an artist that is indeed a hip hop artist, so of course the sources would say it’s a hip hop album.

Pillowdelight (talk) 00:39, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's WP:SYNTHESIS. You are reaching conclusion C (album is hip hop) based on the combination of A (the song has hip hop sounds) and B (it has a hip hop producer). (CC) Tbhotch^™ 14:59, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You are making this way more difficult on yourself, the tracks of the songs make up an album. You’re making this sound as if this album only has one hip hop song on it. All of the sources I have given have not full on stated “the album is hip hop” which seems to be the only thing you are looking for. Like I previously said Template:infobox album states “genre’s that best describes the album” every single one of those sources full on describe this album as a pop and hip hop album. Pillowdelight (talk) 17:00, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So let me question plain and simple. Why haven't you added that the album genres are: Pop, R&B, hip hop, reggae and rock? All these genres were previously mentioned in every source you have added, yet you only insist to say the album is just hip hop (out of those three new options). (CC) Tbhotch^™ 17:27, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And no, I'm not making this difficult for anyone, you are the one that keeps insting that "hip hop-influenced record" as said by every cited source equals to "it is obviously a hip hop album". That is original research. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 17:38, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I haven’t included those other genres since this seems to be the only thing you’re bugging about. Pop and R&B are already included in the box but if you insist on me adding in Reggae and Rock then I can. But majority of the sources I proved state hip hop which is why it’s appropriate to include. All of the sources describe it has having hip hop which is what the template calls for. “Describe” should be your key word there.

Pillowdelight (talk) 17:56, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not really. When you added hip hop there was no conflict and the source clearly said "hip hop and rock". So it's not about what bugs me, it's about how you are misintepreting sources and about how you are determining that Genre A (hip hop) is correct but Genre B (rock) isn't. And no, I'm not supporting their inclusion. And the template is clear "While this document may clarify details of their specific application to the infobox, it is primarily concerned with explaining usage and not with matters of Wikipedia policy and style." You cannot skip WP:NOR solely because the template suggest you to "describe the album" (additionally, that section is clear: "personal opinions or original research must be not be included)". (CC) Tbhotch^™ 18:26, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well more sources state hip hop over rock, which is why it’s included. This is absolutely not a personal opinion, I have included several sources now that backs up the claim that this includes hip hop. I don’t know how you are not following that. Anyways, I’m done here, I’m not going to spend my day bickering with another user who is being difficult. It’s sourced, leave it be. Pillowdelight (talk) 18:41, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The WP:BURDEN relies on you, not on me. This is original research, and it is unacceptable. However, I have opened a RFC. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 19:01, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RFC: a hip hop album

Is this album hip hop music? (CC) Tbhotch^™ 19:08, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Background

Before yesterday, the article already mentioned hip hop music throughout, including the phases "after meeting with Scott Storch, Hilton decided to change the musical direction of the album and make more hip hop and R&B influenced songs", "Musically, Paris is a pop and R&B album that is influenced by hip hop" and "Sal Cinquemani of Slant Magazine [...] criticized the hip hop-influenced tracks". According to Pillowdelight above, there are several sources indicating this album is hip hop instead of "hip hop-influenced", and therefore "hip hop" is to be included as a genre for text and infobox, including:

Slant: "Stars Are Blind' [...] was commissioned to bridge the gap between the hip-hop and rock-inflected tunes on the album".[5]
Paper: "Hilton would finally hone the hip-hop-inspired sound of Paris"[6]
Cosmopolitan: "The hip-hop tracks, however, weigh the album down".[7]
MTV: "I know a lot of the record she did with Scott Storch, which is more, like, hip-hop-based"[8]
Prestige (quoted by MTV): "Hilton revealed the song selection to Hong Kong magazine Prestige, noting that her album will mix reggae, pop and hip-hop elements"[9]

Note that the last quote was said by Paris Hilton herself.[10][11]

Discussion

No, per my conclusion above. Sources agree that the tracks are influenced by hip hop music (and other genres), but that doesn't transform the album into a hip hop album. For example Rated R (Rihanna album) says "Primarily a pop, hip hop and R&B album, it also incorporates musical elements of rock music" without calling it a rock album in itself; The Dutchess has elements of reggae, punk rock, jazz and soul, yet it is not labeled as such; or Folklore (Taylor Swift album) whose songs have elements of indie rock, electronica, dream pop and country melodies, but are not defining the album as such. Like these three random albums, I can quote several of them that will have the same conclusion: having songs inspired by a music genre, or having elements of one genre, do not qualify the album as a whole as being part of that genre. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 19:01, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

But again, Template:infobox album clarifies “The field should include the music genre(s) that best describes the album. It should come from a reliable source and also be stated and referenced in the body of the article” all of theses sources describe the album as having hip hop. Which is why I had added it in the box which is also coming from a source that reviewed the album. Pillowdelight (talk) 19:20, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Pillowdelight:@Tbhotch: Hello! Slant Magazine's review says "Paris’s debut single, “Stars Are Blind” (which was commissioned to bridge the gap between the hip-hop and rock-inflected tunes on the album), has been the surprise of the summer" and "The hip-hop tracks, however, weigh the album down": it means that according to Slant Magazine some tracks are hip-hop, but an infobox's genre should represent the entire album, not just some songs (WP:EXPLICITGENRES). Blueberry72 (talk) 20:08, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Blueberry72: okay so would it be wiser to just remove both hip hop and R&B from the box? Most sources do classify this as a pop album. Pillowdelight (talk) 20:15, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Pillowdelight: the source used for R&B is a review by The Guardian which says "The songs are uniformly well-turned. There is decaf R&B, Strokes-esque new wave pastiches, pop house, and lyrics that hint at Hilton's private life". R&B doesn't seem described as a main genre of the album. I think that pop should be the only genre. If @Tbhotch: has no objection, we could remove both R&B and hip-hop Blueberry72 (talk) 20:28, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No Summoned by at bot. The album has influences from multiple genres, including hip hop, but neither hip hop nor R&B would necessarily "best describe them alum." Pop, on the other hand, would be the best way to describe the album, in my opinion. Comatmebro (talk) 04:23, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No, any artist is never a reliable source for their own work to say it is 'X' genre. Genres have to be explicitly stated. Additionally any instance of the word "influence" followed by the genre denounces said genre. Being influenced by something is not the same as being of that genre. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 21:46, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Only studio album"

As I know that Epert will not open the discussion, what makes this album Hilton's only album? She still alive, she still active, and she is not the first person to take years to release an album—if she ever does it. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 19:14, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's Erpert, not Epert. Anyway, what makes this her only album? Um...it's the only album she released. More to the point, I don't see what I'm expected to prove here. Nowhere in WP:BURDEN (or any other guideline, as far as I've seen) does it state that indicating an artist's only album only applies when the artist is deceased. There are countless musicians who are alive and have only released one album and whose respective articles' lead section begin with "is the only studio album by...". Erpert ^{blah, blah, blah...} 19:21, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BURDEN: "to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material". Yes, it is verifiable that this is her only album, but can you prove this will be her only album? (CC) Tbhotch^™ 19:37, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See also Whataboutism respecting the alleged "countless musicians" argument. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 19:38, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CRYSTAL actually proves my point; if you have sources that indicate that she will release a second album, then you have to prove it; I don't. In addition, whataboutism is a better argument when it comes to keeping articles via deletion discussions (see WP:OSE). Erpert ^{blah, blah, blah...} 03:10, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OSE is an essay, not a guideline, that was created because "OSE" was a frequent "keep" argument at AFD. In no way "OSE" is limited to deletion discussions as consensus is reached through consensus and not per "it should be, per Page X". See also Shifting the burden of proof for your first comment. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 03:29, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Burden of proof (philosophy) is a regular article, not a Wikipedia guideline. Erpert ^{blah, blah, blah...} 22:22, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(here from WP:3O) If there is a reliable source saying that this is her only album, we can say it is her only album. That does not imply that it will be her only album ever. Those are two very different ideas. Similarly, we might say "only 12 people have ever walked on the moon" even though perhaps some more might in 2024, which would make that statement no longer correct. From my perspective, if you suspect another album might be coming out, you would need to cite a source, in order to trump a cited statement that this is the only album she has made. Leijurv (talk) 22:46, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Release date

According to both iTunes and Spotify they both state the album was released on August 14, 2006 and not the 22nd? Shouldn’t this be changed? I know there’s a source stating the album leaked on the 14th on AOL but this a little confusing since they both state it was officially released on the 14th? Pillowdelight (talk) 19:23, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]