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I am Michael Sabrio, volunteer webmaster for Pedals for Progress (P4P). I wrote the P4P wikipedia article to try to make our organization more visible on the web. I try to maintain neutrality by reporting facts that I hope are checkable by outside parties. Rmsp4p (talk) 17:58, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Rmsp4p: Hi! Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia and I hope you consider sticking around to help us improve the project. Because of the promotional tone exhibited in some of the article and certain facts that I could not immediately verify with sources provided, I have deleted portions of content you wrote. You are encouraged to suggest changes here, rather than directly edit the article, especially as you are fairly new to Wikipedia. If you want something changed or have questions, please feel welcome to ping me (see Template:Ping) or use Template:Request edit. ~ Pbritti (talk) 18:04, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks very much for your quick response. I'm not sure how to provide neutral sources except for individual domestic and international partners who can verify only their own collection statistics (in the U.S.) or bikes/sewingMachines received (abroad). We have outside auditors for our financial statements (contained on our website), but I'm not sure that helps. What do you suggest as a way to clear the template messages? Thanks again. Rmsp4p (talk) 18:17, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Rmsp4p: If information can't be sourced reliably from secondary sources, generally it's not worth inclusion. There are limited exceptions (like establishment dates or the names of company officers), but as it stands the article doesn't require intimate information on the inner procedures of the organization. ~ Pbritti (talk) 18:26, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We now have 5 inline citations from external sources. Is it OK if I remove the second template message about inline citations? Thanks. Rmsp4p (talk) 19:48, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm still trying to address the template message about 'close connection' and 'neutral point of view'.
Though I understand the wikipedia rules about neutrality and self-promotion, I do not understand how an organization like mine can follow the rules and still avoid the template message. I've been as transparent as possible in the wikipedia page. We have a few third-party awards and stories that our wikipedia page links to (I just added a couple more), but most of the people who know about us are (1) groups and individuals in the U.S. who help us collect bikes and sewing machines and (2) groups and individuals abroad who get our bikes and sewing machines. On our website, we have many dozens of messages and stories from these partners, but they are not neutral either! They love us!
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Done ~ Pbritti (talk) 19:51, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
