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Much more needs to be added to this article regarding the history and position of Christianity in Hungary during the communist period. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.59.159 (talk) 12:56, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
reddit suggest numbers are somewhat on the high side
I find that comment fairly convincing - looking over the sources myself, I don't think I'd say they are reliable for such an extraordinary claim. I have removed the information for now. —Ganesha811 (talk) 15:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The initial addition was supported by patently unreliable sources – there's no way a book titled 21 Signs of His Coming: Major Biblical Prophecies Being Fulfilled in Our Generation is a reliable source. The sources in the most recent version before the removal were little better. This source seems to be written by a theologian rather than a historian, wasn't published in any sort of scholarly format, and seems to define a martyr as any Christian who was killed "whether or not he or she is actively proclaiming at the time of being killed" (so he counts over 1 million victims of Nazi extermination camps as Christian martyrs which seems extremely questionable to me; I'm not sure where the rest come from after counting a few thousand Jehovah's Witnesses and possibly a few thousand clergy); this source I don't have access to but is written by a freelance journalist for a Catholic magazine, not an academic publication, by someone whose academic training appears to be limited to a BA in history; and thisis an academic book but it's by a psychologist and is primarily about the psychology of religion. The death toll of the USSR is widely discussed in academic history and an extraordinary claim such as that 20 million were killed as Christian martyrs (for comparison, Excess mortality in the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin puts 20 million as the high estimate for the total excess mortality under Stalin, including famines and political purges) should be supported by academic sources by actual historians if it is to be included. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 15:55, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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